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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris in the para cast we're going to

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talk later about experiencers which can

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be a touchy subject a fascinating

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subject and one that is fraught with all

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sorts of dangerous aspects but before we

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even consider that let's talk about last

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week's episode with Richard Dolman now I

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didn't realize how funny Richard Dolan

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can be when you set him loose and he was

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relaxed and he certainly answered the

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questions we asked and then he did a

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couple of funny things a few things

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ended up on the cutting room floor but I

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won't get into that but I did notice

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here that we didn't get a lot of

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response to the episode and what we got

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was very positive and I thought well

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maybe they would have thought that we

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should have been stronger in our

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questioning of his participation in the

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topic that shall not be named but I

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think he answered it he's just not the

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kind of guy who's going to attack his

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friends even if they do something that's

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screwy or naive so I sort of expected

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because of the fact that we were pretty

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friendly towards him even though we

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asked the questions that you wanted

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asked listeners that we get some

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reaction to that but the response so far

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has been fairly light and pretty

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positive what's your take on it

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well you know I think Richard Richard's

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always been skirting that that sort of a

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tightrope between the true believer

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crowd and the suspend their disbelief

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crowd and the serious folks that we like

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to count among our listeners here at the

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pair cast

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because he is a publisher and I did

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mention this I think and after the para

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cast because he is a publisher he tries

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to get out there as much as possible and

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and you know spread the word about his

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work and also plug his authors so he has

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a bit of at least in my view a bit of

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wiggle room on that tightrope but you

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know he really dodged the howitzer and

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not I don't think he was totally

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unscathed by the loose affiliation

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within and going down to Mexico City for

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the Cinco de Mayo event which will not

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be named

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I think he's squeaked he squeaked by

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without too much damage I think to his

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reputation although I think it's we're

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gonna see him being a little bit more

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circumspect and careful in the future I

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think he he probably feels a little bit

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lucky not to have been smeared and

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slimed too bad by that event so I I

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think that it's at the very least it

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should have been a wake-up call for him

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and I'm not surprised that there's not

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that much diatribes

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online because he did present himself

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very well and I think people picked up

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on that you see it's always a touchy

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situation too you have friends you trust

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your friends to have a good judgment and

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when they do things that don't turn out

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so well you want to look at the positive

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aspects well they had the blinders on

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and he perhaps participated in a very

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large part because he trusted Schmidt

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and Kerry and there you go stuff like

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that habits what he said and he's still

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you know he still stands behind she

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written Kerry although it's and again

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that's kind of a brave thing he does

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consider you know dawn to be a fairly

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good friends with him and and it's good

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to stick by your friends but it's also

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good to be in a position to spank them

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when they when they mess up and I'm just

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would hope that he would he would have a

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real serious talk with with both of them

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and say look you guys really you kind of

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what's the old test pilot phrase you

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screwed the pooch with that one so you

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scenario and

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and I'm looking forward to to reading

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Rich's book on false flag operations I

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think it's been a subject that somebody

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should have written a book about long

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ago and I'm looking forward to it I know

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that we can talk about that endlessly

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because it is so closely related to

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conspiracy theories about any particular

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subject and in this case there are lots

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areas where you suspect things have

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surface there and as he gets closer to

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the book I do want to get Richard back

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on the show with us and talk about it I

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think it's a fascinating discussion and

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it does in some ways relate to what we

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events could have been false flags which

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is something that James carry on is

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suggesting so it's right up the vein

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let's see what happens with it yeah well

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I take exception to somebody that listen

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to the show and called me a 9/11 truther

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I'm I fall short of that particular tag

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I do think that there's something

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downwind to Denmark or downwind of the

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WTC about that whole day and I think

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there's a lot of very very compelling

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evidence to suggest something something

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very squirrelly and scurry was going on

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that day that does not conform to the

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official version of events so you know

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if there's a conspiracy in that

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particular event I I seem to fall kind

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of a little shade over the side of the

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official version is the conspiracy

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theory in my book if that makes me a

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truther then you know whatever it's sort

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of does because it's as I would

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interpret that term someone who doesn't

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the truth and maybe even if it's 80%

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true whatever percentage you want to

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a 9/11 truther but doesn't mean you

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embrace these other theories these

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alternate theories no and I think that's

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part of it right there it doesn't mean

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that at all it doesn't mean you're

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unpatriotic because you're skeptical of

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what the government tells you we should

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be skeptical and part of what we do here

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this isn't about a lot of things I mean

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UFO experiences in fact a little bit

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later we'll have Rey Hernandez who will

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encounters which already is judging what

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the way the dr. Edgar Mitchell

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reasons they opted to make it a more

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generic title I think because they want

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encounters whether they're you know an

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de derived near-death experiences or

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to put all those experiences in context

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primitive painful physical examination

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encounter even if it's consistent even

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if a million people report the same

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encounter even if two people from

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different places see each other during

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that encounter and meet up later in

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person and talk about it as we mentioned

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with Kathleen Martin that doesn't tell

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us what the experience was only what

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they remembered you know it's kind of

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almost back to the art imitates life

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thing reminiscent of a recent episode of

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a TV show called proof where a doctor

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seeks evidence of life after death

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and they subject two men to hypnosis who

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never met each other but have a shared

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memory of an experience I think during

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the Korean War where they were fighting

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very strange but that's of course based

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on not just reincarnation but based on

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personal experiences that are unusual

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you know remember when TV shows do this

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they have somebody on board who takes

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basic theories or experiences of people

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and they distill it and create a

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fictional framework so there you go

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don't know if that helps it just kind of

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struck me in any case we have Rey

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Hernandez he's associated once again

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with the foundation for research into

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extraterrestrial encounters I think that

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prejudges it but I'm gonna ask him about

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that with Gene and Kris you're in the

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pure cast so here's what happened

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I was placing an order online the site

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went down it took hours before it

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returned but I'd already placed the

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order with another company if your site

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it will stay online at iWeb your site is

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first game attack of the raw codes and

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it was a critically acclaimed success

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and now there's the coming of the

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protectors a former military

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intelligence man is contacted by a space

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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

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to be a nightmare because evil forces on

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our distant planet are planning to

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conquer the earth

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this is gripping science fiction of the

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classic kind attack of the rock OIG's

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and the coming of the protectors find

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out more at Rocko it's calm that's rock

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oh it's our Ock oids calm

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many are in disbelief today after word

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of shocking allegations against a

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Minnesota based talk syndication company

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known as GCN it's claimed that they're

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the fourth largest talk syndication

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company in the US making it even more

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scandalous that they've been accused of

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helping business owners expose

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themselves on a massive scale let's go

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live to Tom for more on this story the

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greatest exposure of our lifetime while

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other business owners are beginning to

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step forward claiming they to expose

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themselves with the help of GCN it's

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true they're all guilty every last one

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of them

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Jason help me get the exposure my

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company needed and just think that was

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years ago today GCN has like 700

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affiliate stations and over 6 million

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downloads from itunes and their website

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every month

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imagine the exposure your company can

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get expose your business to the masses

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email advertise at GC and live.com easy

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affordable effective n honey it's time

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what are you doing over there on your

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computer I'm shopping for a new wallet

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mine is falling apart hey did you know

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there's a company called ID stronghold

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that makes shielded wallets to prevent

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electronic pickpocketing well I didn't

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realize there was such a thing as

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electronic pickpocketing what is that

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well apparently many of the new credit

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and debit cards being issued have radio

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chips inside them called RFID the

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transmitter banking information to card

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readers when we pay unfortunately a bad

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guy can also get one of these readers

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and go around the city scanning people

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collecting their credit card numbers and

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personal information without us knowing

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it wow that sounds scary since you're

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getting a new wallet anyway you should

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definitely get an ID stronghold shielded

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wallet are they more expensive no in

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fact I can get a shielded leather wallet

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from ID stronghold com for the same

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price or less than regular unshielded

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wallets from other stores sounds great

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my wallet isn't falling apart yet but

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let me pick one out to I want to be

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protected and these wallets ID

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para cast calm we welcome to the para

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cast Rey Hernandez and he's associated

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with an organization called foundation

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for research into extraterrestrial

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encounters now previously the name of

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the organization was called the dr.

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Edgar Mitchell foundation etc etc and

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dr. Mitchell was one of the founders ray

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welcome to the para cast tell us about

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the organization and its purposes surely

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the organization's main focus is to

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begin to apply some quote-unquote

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scientific research to the field of

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individuals that are having ufo-related

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contact with non-human intelligence and

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we're also focusing on the topic areas

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of advanced physics we have numerous

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physicists that are associated with free

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and we're going to be exploring the

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relationship of the topic commonly known

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as consciousness to this field of

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contact which is contact with non-human

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intelligence also our approach is that

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we view various contact modalities and

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that is individuals that have had

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encountered ghosts spirits near-death

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experiences through remote viewing

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through a channeling or people that are

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take her loosening genes and have

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conscious communications with the

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sentient beings etc etc and not just the

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the ETU of or related et contact

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phenomenon our organization and

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academics associated with free and

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researchers view that all of these

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contact experiences are all interrelated

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right now they are bifurcated they are

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segmented the people that deal with

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ghosts that deal with ghosts the people

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that's deal with near-death experiences

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that's their main focus near-death

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experiences and most of these

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individuals do not see all of these

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various contact modalities as being

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interrelated because we have such a high

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number of physicists and individuals

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that have been working in this field of

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transpersonal psychology and

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parapsychology as academics and

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researchers that have been working in

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this arena for many many years we have

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all come to the conclusion separately

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and individually that they're all

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interrelated and that advanced quantum

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physics can begin to explain all of this

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and the emerging emerging field of

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consciousness studies can begin to put

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all this complicated puzzle together you

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know that raises about 4,000 questions

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which we'd like to get to Kris and I but

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before we do that let's just look at

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your personal connection how you got

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involved in this now your profession is

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that of a tax attorney right you work

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for the IRS correct I currently am an

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estate tax attorney which is a segment

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that field within the IRS that deals

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with an inheritance tax called the

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estate tax so what I do is I ordered

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form seven or six thousand seven or

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nines which are either gift tax returns

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or estate tax returns and those are

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usually returns that are required to be

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filed from

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for from the beneficiaries of the very

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wealthy in this country now we're

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talking about very very small percentage

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of the people who die the threshold is

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millions of dollars and I don't want to

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get into that that's a politically

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sensitive issue and you're just hired

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help you do the job you're not worried

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about what the politicians want you do

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what you have to do how did you get

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attracted to the issue of what happens

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to experiencers is this because you had

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personal experiences yourself correct

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let me just a little bit about my

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background I had attended Rutgers

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College in New Jersey I graduated with

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honors and then I went I got a full

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academic scholarship to Cornell

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University a master's program to study

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urban planning and I had a 3.9 5 GPA

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Cornell and then I got a National

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Science Foundation ph.d fellowship which

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pays for a full ride basically at any

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ph.d program in the country that you

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want to and I decided to go to Berkeley

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University of California Berkeley which

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had the top planning school in in the

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country and so I was a PhD student there

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for for several years for three three

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and a half years and again I had a very

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high GPA and I was walked to The New

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School for Social Research to undertake

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my dissertation and I was at the new

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school where writing my dissertation

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when my ex-wife got a brain aneurysm and

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I had two little babies her sister was

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still in high school and her mother is

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just recently retired and so I had to

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quit writing my dissertation and take

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two full-time jobs so my background is

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pretty much is as an academic I still

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maintain that that academic mindset and

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then I got a job at the new school for

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soomi at the City University of New York

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where I was a the director of an

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Environmental Studies program an

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emerging Environmental Studies program

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and there I took up attorney and I went

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to law school while I was working

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full-time at the City University of New

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York I went to the City University of

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New York School of Law because as you

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know law school is extremely expensive

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and because I was an employee of the

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university system I got a

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significantly reduced tuition so that

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was my my background I was an atheist I

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was a over educated material rationalist

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with all these advanced degrees from

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this from these elite institutions until

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about March the fourth of 2012 so

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there's been very recently when my wife

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and I had an experience in our living

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room that totally hit me over the head

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with a two-by-four and let me go over

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some of those details if you don't mind

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dodging sure go ahead

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yeah this was just the first of a series

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of experiences that took that still

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continued to this day our dog who was 16

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years old at that point her we were

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keeping her going with tons of

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medications she was taking viagra to

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keep her heart pumping she was taking a

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Durrett extorter from her kidneys in her

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heart it's just the same medications

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that an older person would be taking in

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terms of heart medication and heretics

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and she was walking at that point very

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very gingerly barely able to walk and we

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just couldn't put her to sleep because

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she was you know our initial family

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member and then one day on a Saturday

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evening at about 7 o'clock she suffered

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a stroke and she became totally

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paralyzed from the neck down and at that

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point we called our vet it was a good

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friend of ours and he says from what

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you're telling me she appeared to have

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suffered a stroke I'll open up my office

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tomorrow so we could put her to sleep

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so all night my wife who was a hardcore

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Catholic was praying all night for a

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miracle to happen and then on Sunday

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morning our dog woke us up barking and

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we thought that she had you know that

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she was feeling better as she had

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overcome her temporary paralysis but no

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when when my wife and I saw her she was

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still paralyzed

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she was just able to move her neck and

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in Tabarrok so my wife then picked her

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up to bring her downstairs to go to the

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bathroom to see if she can go to the

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bathroom because we didn't know her or

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her condition at that point whether she

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could and my wife can't down the stairs

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and right

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middle of no in the middle on the side

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corner of our living room she saw a

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floating object and let me describe it

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to you

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it was metallic in shape it was

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approximately two feet in width by three

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feet in height it looked like an

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upside-down u and inside there were two

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colored lights

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she described them as green lights and

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then she immediately meltdown and sought

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a prank let's do the break here and then

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let's pick up on this strange encounter

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bringing this sick dog

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downstairs seeing this small object Rey

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Hernandez of free here with Gina and

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independently leading the way for the

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nation compelling talk for every

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political persuasion we all see and Pete

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notary spokesperson Adam poleski of the

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Pilate law firm a principle often used

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at Ephesus the attorney was muscle for

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the content of this ad is not legal

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advice in the choice of a lawyer should

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not be based only upon advertisement

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services may not be available on all

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states attentions are well tell you sirs

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if you are a loved one took Xarelto and

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suffered a serious bleeding event you

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may be entitled to financial

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compensation

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Xarelto is a popular prescription blood

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thinner used to prevent blood clots and

551
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protect patients from strokes the

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serious bleeding events have led to

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what a time to break yes your wife sees

638
00:27:26,940 --> 00:27:24,999
a small object ray with a couple of

639
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,950
lights inside what happened next

640
00:27:30,450 --> 00:27:28,960
well what happened was that she started

641
00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:30,460
praying and she basically said if you're

642
00:27:35,580 --> 00:27:32,740
a bad spirit get the hell out if you're

643
00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:35,590
an angel or a good spirit then stay and

644
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,710
please help cure my dog and she wasn't

645
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:40,240
talking to it it was just in her mind

646
00:27:43,950 --> 00:27:42,730
she was relaying that information then

647
00:27:46,259 --> 00:27:43,960
all of a sudden these two green lights

648
00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:46,269
started blinking inside and from the

649
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side these white fluorescent lights

650
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:50,259
started shooting out and then at that

651
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:52,450
point she freaked out it wasn't like she

652
00:27:55,889 --> 00:27:54,610
was praying to a spirit or something

653
00:27:59,159 --> 00:27:55,899
like that but she freaked out it was

654
00:28:00,810 --> 00:27:59,169
like she was screaming at me to come

655
00:28:03,450 --> 00:28:00,820
down and I told he ignored her it was a

656
00:28:04,859 --> 00:28:03,460
Sunday morning six o'clock I thought she

657
00:28:07,619 --> 00:28:04,869
had seen a cockroach or something like

658
00:28:09,389 --> 00:28:07,629
that and I was you know and I totally

659
00:28:11,519 --> 00:28:09,399
ignored her finally I became irritated

660
00:28:13,529 --> 00:28:11,529
because she was a you know breaking up

661
00:28:15,389 --> 00:28:13,539
my beauty sleep you know Sunday morning

662
00:28:17,999 --> 00:28:15,399
at six o'clock and I just said leave me

663
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:18,009
alone you know yeah leave me alone I

664
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:19,330
want to sleep I didn't sleep well last

665
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:22,450
night leave me alone you know that was

666
00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:24,970
like I was getting upset you know in my

667
00:28:29,220 --> 00:28:26,409
head I was like just killed a cockroach

668
00:28:30,869 --> 00:28:29,230
Fred let me sleep you know so she went

669
00:28:32,489 --> 00:28:30,879
upstairs isn't like maybe after five

670
00:28:34,529 --> 00:28:32,499
minutes at ten minutes I don't fall

671
00:28:36,749 --> 00:28:34,539
exactly but very shortly afterwards

672
00:28:40,169 --> 00:28:36,759
after she started screaming she went

673
00:28:42,419 --> 00:28:40,179
upstairs and physically hold my arm to

674
00:28:43,980 --> 00:28:42,429
haul me to bed you know and at that

675
00:28:45,180 --> 00:28:43,990
point I was upset you know I was like

676
00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:45,190
you know I'm gonna find that damn

677
00:28:49,169 --> 00:28:47,230
cockroach and kill it you know and get

678
00:28:51,090 --> 00:28:49,179
this thing over with you know she didn't

679
00:28:52,379 --> 00:28:51,100
tell me what it was so she was walking

680
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:52,389
in front of me we live in a two-story

681
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,850
house we were going down the stairs and

682
00:28:58,980 --> 00:28:56,320
then immediately when she got to the

683
00:29:01,200 --> 00:28:58,990
bottom of the stairs she disappeared

684
00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:01,210
and the dog yes she was carrying the dog

685
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:03,580
so no no no I'm sorry she didn't have

686
00:29:08,609 --> 00:29:05,769
the dog she then disappeared in front of

687
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,619
me okay it was like a fraction of a

688
00:29:14,369 --> 00:29:10,960
second okay and then immediately I was

689
00:29:16,049 --> 00:29:14,379
focused I was on this corner wall and I

690
00:29:17,639 --> 00:29:16,059
completely forgot about her disappearing

691
00:29:20,609 --> 00:29:17,649
and then while I was looking at this

692
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:20,619
corner wall I saw a floating I call it a

693
00:29:25,019 --> 00:29:23,440
plasma being a beam because they totally

694
00:29:26,969 --> 00:29:25,029
controlled my mind in

695
00:29:29,489 --> 00:29:26,979
and let me describe it to you it was

696
00:29:31,349 --> 00:29:29,499
roughly a foot and a half which is

697
00:29:34,259 --> 00:29:31,359
smaller than what she had described in

698
00:29:37,829 --> 00:29:34,269
with about a foot to half to two feet

699
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:37,839
wide to a foot to a foot and a half in

700
00:29:43,889 --> 00:29:41,049
height it was sort of cylinder in shape

701
00:29:46,639 --> 00:29:43,899
but it didn't have external edges to it

702
00:29:49,589 --> 00:29:46,649
because it was pure energy and it was a

703
00:29:52,019 --> 00:29:49,599
vibrating multicolored the best

704
00:29:54,059 --> 00:29:52,029
description is is that if you can get

705
00:29:56,759 --> 00:29:54,069
tons of like a real thick paint

706
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:56,769
multicolored paint and and put it in a

707
00:30:02,909 --> 00:29:59,279
bathtub and start moving it around

708
00:30:05,489 --> 00:30:02,919
that'll be something close to it and it

709
00:30:08,129 --> 00:30:05,499
was semi-transparent okay that you could

710
00:30:11,849 --> 00:30:08,139
see you know that it wasn't a hard

711
00:30:13,829 --> 00:30:11,859
object and and what I did I squinted at

712
00:30:19,619 --> 00:30:13,839
it and then I did something totally

713
00:30:23,429 --> 00:30:19,629
rational and I waved my hand at it and I

714
00:30:27,899 --> 00:30:23,439
said BS and then I proceeded to go

715
00:30:29,849 --> 00:30:27,909
upstairs I put my hand on my my belly

716
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:29,859
and I stared straight up at the ceiling

717
00:30:38,579 --> 00:30:35,919
and and that i-beam came into a coma I

718
00:30:40,019 --> 00:30:38,589
was unconscious for like four 15 minutes

719
00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:40,029
or so I don't know exactly for how long

720
00:30:44,999 --> 00:30:43,329
and then when I woke up I woke up and I

721
00:30:46,889 --> 00:30:45,009
was like holy cow what in the world just

722
00:30:49,889 --> 00:30:46,899
happened you know and I ran down the

723
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,899
stairs and there I saw my wife prancing

724
00:30:53,219 --> 00:30:51,039
in the middle of the living room like

725
00:30:54,959 --> 00:30:53,229
she was in a Pentecostal Church saying

726
00:30:56,609 --> 00:30:54,969
hallelujah hallelujah they angels cured

727
00:30:58,499 --> 00:30:56,619
of the Angels cured her and the dog now

728
00:30:59,639 --> 00:30:58,509
was like zipping from one on the end of

729
00:31:03,059 --> 00:30:59,649
living room to the other running around

730
00:31:05,729 --> 00:31:03,069
jumping up and down you know like a foot

731
00:31:08,369 --> 00:31:05,739
up in the air and she's a Jack Russell

732
00:31:10,169 --> 00:31:08,379
Terrier short little dog and my wife was

733
00:31:12,329 --> 00:31:10,179
picking her up and kissing her hugging

734
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:12,339
her in the angel security and in my head

735
00:31:17,939 --> 00:31:15,279
I was like what hell just happened okay

736
00:31:19,289 --> 00:31:17,949
and then there we started to compare

737
00:31:20,879 --> 00:31:19,299
notes and we saw that there was a

738
00:31:23,249 --> 00:31:20,889
discrepancy in terms of what she saw

739
00:31:26,459 --> 00:31:23,259
what I saw she doesn't recall me going

740
00:31:28,019 --> 00:31:26,469
up the stairs to her was like

741
00:31:29,969 --> 00:31:28,029
instantaneously I've gone down the

742
00:31:32,579 --> 00:31:29,979
stairs with her and then boom you know

743
00:31:34,649 --> 00:31:32,589
she woke up and the angels to her

744
00:31:37,740 --> 00:31:34,659
characterization had cured our puppy

745
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:37,750
our dog that was now like a puppy

746
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:41,010
and that was just the beginning of our

747
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:43,930
experiences my wife then began to see

748
00:31:48,570 --> 00:31:46,960
many crafts up in the sky one particular

749
00:31:50,190 --> 00:31:48,580
situation she woke up at 3:30 in the

750
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:50,200
morning actually was the dog woke her up

751
00:31:54,750 --> 00:31:52,570
at 3:30 the dog instead of going to the

752
00:31:56,370 --> 00:31:54,760
back door to go to the bathroom she

753
00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:56,380
wanted to go to the front door which he

754
00:31:59,970 --> 00:31:58,810
never did my wife went downstairs and

755
00:32:06,180 --> 00:31:59,980
then she looked up and there was a huge

756
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:06,190
gigantic craft with numerous colors in

757
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:08,650
sort of the middle of the craft into the

758
00:32:13,710 --> 00:32:12,370
sides and my wife then went to Mexico

759
00:32:15,690 --> 00:32:13,720
for about a month to stay with her

760
00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:15,700
family there on vacation and with my

761
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:17,950
daughter and there on three different

762
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:20,770
events she had experiences one time it

763
00:32:24,750 --> 00:32:23,230
was witnessed by various family members

764
00:32:27,150 --> 00:32:24,760
there was like 10 witnesses that saw

765
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:27,160
this huge craft descend from the sky in

766
00:32:30,290 --> 00:32:28,210
front of the lead car that they were

767
00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:30,300
driving in there was two car caravan and

768
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:32,830
beam down a blue light from the lead car

769
00:32:37,050 --> 00:32:35,290
then for about a minute or two and then

770
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:37,060
the blue light descended and it took off

771
00:32:40,710 --> 00:32:39,490
and I spoke to about maybe eight of

772
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:40,720
those ten individuals and they all

773
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:46,450
confirmed what was seen and then I in

774
00:32:53,490 --> 00:32:49,840
August of 2012 I had an experience with

775
00:32:56,490 --> 00:32:53,500
a huge gigantic craft that was that I

776
00:32:59,310 --> 00:32:56,500
had called down playfully did an

777
00:33:02,640 --> 00:32:59,320
experiment to call down a craft not

778
00:33:05,150 --> 00:33:02,650
really expecting it to appear and that

779
00:33:08,190 --> 00:33:05,160
craft was the size of a football field

780
00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:08,200
will you go on how did you attempt to

781
00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:11,620
bring down this craft okay I was waiting

782
00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:13,600
for a friend of mine to give me his

783
00:33:18,420 --> 00:33:14,590
parking tickets

784
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:18,430
like over a year and then he got a

785
00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:20,050
notice that he was gonna be arrested if

786
00:33:23,310 --> 00:33:21,460
he didn't pay these tickets or go to

787
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:23,320
court so then I said look what you need

788
00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:24,730
to do is do a motion to consolidate

789
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:27,460
which I will do for you but I just need

790
00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:30,010
two tickets yeah for you to call me so

791
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:32,230
I'm waiting outside for him because he

792
00:33:36,750 --> 00:33:33,850
told me he was very close by and so

793
00:33:38,670 --> 00:33:36,760
while I'm waiting I remembered the huge

794
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:38,680
craft that my wife had seen because she

795
00:33:41,580 --> 00:33:39,970
had described that it was between this

796
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:41,590
particular tree in that particular tree

797
00:33:46,290 --> 00:33:43,930
and I was saying my god that was a huge

798
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:46,300
craft that she saw and then all of a

799
00:33:50,340 --> 00:33:48,010
sudden I remembered this person named

800
00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:50,350
prophet Yahweh who our new tube the

801
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:51,350
night before my

802
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:53,570
before I had seen a video of him calling

803
00:33:57,850 --> 00:33:55,850
down a craft during the day and what it

804
00:33:59,740 --> 00:33:57,860
was this little speck of dust basically

805
00:34:02,140 --> 00:33:59,750
though that he had filmed moving across

806
00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:02,150
the sky and so what I was waiting from

807
00:34:06,490 --> 00:34:03,620
my friend I said what the hell let me

808
00:34:09,310 --> 00:34:06,500
try you know and then I started to call

809
00:34:11,770 --> 00:34:09,320
down this craft I said I want to see you

810
00:34:13,810 --> 00:34:11,780
the beautiful angelic craft that my wife

811
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:13,820
describes you she describes you as her

812
00:34:16,990 --> 00:34:14,720
angels

813
00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:17,000
she described your colors just like the

814
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,310
stained-glass windows of our church

815
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:20,960
she had the privilege of seeing you I

816
00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:23,119
didn't know I see you you know that's

817
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,730
half the stuff and then like a minute or

818
00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:27,440
two I would turn around and look around

819
00:34:32,139 --> 00:34:29,600
in the sky and nothing showed up after

820
00:34:34,450 --> 00:34:32,149
15 minutes I said to myself I said you

821
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:34,460
know this et stuff has got me crazy you

822
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:36,530
know I need to stop you know focusing on

823
00:34:40,030 --> 00:34:37,850
these things because I'm going nuts

824
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:40,040
then immediately this huge gigantic

825
00:34:48,010 --> 00:34:44,210
craft that was again let me describe it

826
00:34:50,409 --> 00:34:48,020
it wasn't material it was thousands and

827
00:34:53,710 --> 00:34:50,419
thousands of oblong streaks of light

828
00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:53,720
they went back about maybe two blocks it

829
00:34:57,460 --> 00:34:55,369
went up in height like about a hundred

830
00:34:59,740 --> 00:34:57,470
meters and it formed the whole shell the

831
00:35:02,830 --> 00:34:59,750
external shell of this craft and inside

832
00:35:05,830 --> 00:35:02,840
were white plasma streaks moving all

833
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:05,840
around and then immediately I heard a

834
00:35:12,580 --> 00:35:09,770
voice inside my head and it said daddy

835
00:35:14,260 --> 00:35:12,590
you and mommy have seen UFOs next time

836
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:14,270
you guys see a UFO you call me all right

837
00:35:18,609 --> 00:35:16,970
daddy don't forget and so my daughter

838
00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:18,619
had just turned 10 years old and the

839
00:35:23,410 --> 00:35:20,390
last thing you want to do is to expose

840
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:23,420
the child to something like this but in

841
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:25,369
my head was like no I gotta tell my

842
00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:26,960
daughter that's not my daughter so I

843
00:35:31,570 --> 00:35:29,270
started calling her we live in a cold

844
00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:31,580
isaque a very large coldest act so I'm

845
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:33,950
yelling outside the window and she opens

846
00:35:36,820 --> 00:35:35,119
up the window what is it daddy I said

847
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:36,830
sweetheart hurry up outside this is your

848
00:35:41,470 --> 00:35:38,810
forward here this is you all fear run

849
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,480
run so she runs outside and now you had

850
00:35:45,630 --> 00:35:43,760
two people looking at it and we weren't

851
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:45,640
scared we were just being entertained

852
00:35:49,690 --> 00:35:48,290
and all of a sudden my friend comes but

853
00:35:54,220 --> 00:35:49,700
not by himself he comes with his wife

854
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:54,230
and their 17-year old boat and both of

855
00:35:59,230 --> 00:35:56,690
them are he owns his own business and

856
00:36:02,109 --> 00:35:59,240
she works for an import-export business

857
00:36:04,420 --> 00:36:02,119
both of them are college graduates very

858
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:04,430
smart people but they're hardcore

859
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:08,090
no Catholic conservatives and and they

860
00:36:10,780 --> 00:36:09,110
leave the car right in the middle of

861
00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:10,790
cul-de-sac they all run to me you know

862
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,140
ray what is that what is that say you

863
00:36:15,850 --> 00:36:14,720
know what this is no no it can't be it

864
00:36:18,460 --> 00:36:15,860
can't be and then they started to

865
00:36:20,500 --> 00:36:18,470
explain what it possibly could be and

866
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:20,510
after like a minute or two of them

867
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:22,250
trying to come up with one crazy idea

868
00:36:27,220 --> 00:36:24,770
after another explanation in my head I

869
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:27,230
was laughing and I was telling these ETS

870
00:36:29,260 --> 00:36:28,400
basically I said would you better come

871
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,270
up with something else

872
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:31,520
we'll hear that something else this week

873
00:36:37,330 --> 00:36:34,490
we have Ray hernandez associated with an

874
00:36:40,660 --> 00:36:37,340
organization called free with Gene and

875
00:36:47,050 --> 00:36:40,670
with Chris you're in the burek ask

876
00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:47,060
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877
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878
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it's a thrill a minute story you'll

883
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never forget a former US military

884
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intelligence officer is haunted by

885
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intense dreams about a beautiful woman

886
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:13,530
pleading for his help after a terrible

887
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:16,410
battle in outer space but the dreams

888
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:18,450
turned out to be true and thrust him

889
00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:20,130
into a telepathic love affair with a

890
00:37:25,550 --> 00:37:23,220
woman whose faraway planet is intent on

891
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destroying the earth and now the

892
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895
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896
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897
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threaten the lives of freedom loving

898
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899
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903
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older one gets the less you are able to

904
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absorb amino acids and the less you are

905
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able to repair the one hundred trillion

906
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cells of your body as a result you'll

907
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have less energy your tissues will

908
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shrink and you'll become wrinkled an

909
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older person will typically injure more

910
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easily and heal more slowly not fun

911
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912
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913
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may be able to gain back some strength

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917
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918
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919
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920
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I play pickleball and since taking one

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922
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923
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recover faster from my working out I

924
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,970
used to take another grass-fed whey

925
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protein powder but now I'm getting much

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930
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931
00:39:03,799 --> 00:39:01,109
as if chlorine in our water weren't bad

932
00:39:05,569 --> 00:39:03,809
enough now they're adding ammonia it's

933
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:05,579
true some of this apologies are now

934
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adding ammonia plus chlorine to your

935
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water supply

936
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937
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941
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942
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955
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956
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957
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958
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should be at a pH level of 8 or higher

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971
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979
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this book is from the future and you are

980
00:41:23,929 --> 00:41:13,019
listening to the podcast the gold

981
00:41:25,699 --> 00:41:23,939
standard of paranormal radio with Jeanne

982
00:41:27,409 --> 00:41:25,709
and Chris in the para cast we have Rey

983
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:27,419
Hernandez associated with an

984
00:41:32,779 --> 00:41:29,849
organization called free he's a tax

985
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:32,789
attorney but he's not after me because I

986
00:41:36,589 --> 00:41:34,380
don't have an estate worth 10 million

987
00:41:38,299 --> 00:41:36,599
dollars maybe my late brother he was

988
00:41:39,949 --> 00:41:38,309
getting there in any case we're talking

989
00:41:42,409 --> 00:41:39,959
about his personal experiences and his

990
00:41:45,979 --> 00:41:42,419
personal encounters here and something

991
00:41:49,279 --> 00:41:45,989
here where you call out your daughter to

992
00:41:51,140 --> 00:41:49,289
see this UFO let's kind of move past

993
00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:51,150
this as much as this could make up an

994
00:41:55,969 --> 00:41:53,849
entire show we want to talk about the

995
00:41:58,279 --> 00:41:55,979
organization yes so let's continue with

996
00:41:59,809 --> 00:41:58,289
this case and any of the others and then

997
00:42:01,219 --> 00:41:59,819
we want to ask about the dog what

998
00:42:03,049 --> 00:42:01,229
happened to the and a couple of quick

999
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:03,059
questions here first of all where

1000
00:42:08,449 --> 00:42:06,329
exactly did you live at this point in

1001
00:42:10,339 --> 00:42:08,459
the in the private house yeah this is

1002
00:42:14,149 --> 00:42:10,349
where I'm still currently living it's

1003
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:14,159
the kilian section of Miami Florida okay

1004
00:42:17,779 --> 00:42:15,839
so we're down in Florida okay I was at

1005
00:42:19,279 --> 00:42:17,789
my in Miami okay I didn't know if you

1006
00:42:20,899 --> 00:42:19,289
were in the New York area or not another

1007
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:20,909
thing I should point out it's good to

1008
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:24,329
have a fellow CUNY alum on the show I

1009
00:42:31,099 --> 00:42:27,599
went to Lehman College up in the Bronx

1010
00:42:34,130 --> 00:42:31,109
yeah I did back in the 70s so good

1011
00:42:38,479 --> 00:42:34,140
continue okay and then what happened was

1012
00:42:39,409 --> 00:42:38,489
that when I thought this in my head you

1013
00:42:41,299 --> 00:42:39,419
better come up with something different

1014
00:42:43,429 --> 00:42:41,309
cuz they don't believe you all of a

1015
00:42:46,009 --> 00:42:43,439
sudden the oblong streets of lights that

1016
00:42:47,929 --> 00:42:46,019
were swirling like in oblong circles

1017
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:47,939
thousands of them thousands of them

1018
00:42:52,579 --> 00:42:49,380
completely stopped and they were

1019
00:42:54,949 --> 00:42:52,589
immediately replaced by thousands and

1020
00:42:57,620 --> 00:42:54,959
thousands of stars there were ten times

1021
00:42:59,149 --> 00:42:57,630
the size of Venus that blinked on and

1022
00:43:01,549 --> 00:42:59,159
off like two or three times in a

1023
00:43:03,859 --> 00:43:01,559
fraction of a second all throughout the

1024
00:43:05,569 --> 00:43:03,869
craft and then beyond a shadow of a

1025
00:43:08,449 --> 00:43:05,579
doubt everyone knew what this was and

1026
00:43:10,219 --> 00:43:08,459
then almost like five minutes later my

1027
00:43:12,919 --> 00:43:10,229
friends all of a sudden said ok we gotta

1028
00:43:15,620 --> 00:43:12,929
go and I didn't even question it during

1029
00:43:16,460 --> 00:43:15,630
this time period the family that lived

1030
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:16,470
underneath

1031
00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:18,090
house cuz remember this craft was like

1032
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:19,800
five feet from the roof at the bottom

1033
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:21,420
part of that craft they turn on their

1034
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:22,770
light they were looking at it and they

1035
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,570
saw five people basically staring on top

1036
00:43:28,580 --> 00:43:26,640
of their roof now if you're thinking

1037
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:28,590
logically you would go knock on their

1038
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:30,480
door say Pablo you know come outside you

1039
00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:33,330
know look what's on top of your roof no

1040
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:35,070
all of us had cellphones and even the

1041
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,410
teenagers always have that cell phone

1042
00:43:42,170 --> 00:43:40,560
glued to them no one took a picture then

1043
00:43:44,359 --> 00:43:42,180
Bay said what happened was after my

1044
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:44,369
three friends left then my daughter and

1045
00:43:48,859 --> 00:43:46,260
I stayed for another 15 minutes watching

1046
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:48,869
this thing now it's a new light show now

1047
00:43:53,240 --> 00:43:51,900
was the star show and a total that my

1048
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,250
daughter and I saw this thing was about

1049
00:43:57,980 --> 00:43:55,680
45 minutes and remembered this huge

1050
00:43:59,330 --> 00:43:57,990
craft was like 30 feet away from us and

1051
00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:59,340
then all of a sudden I felt like I was

1052
00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:01,260
being attacked by mosquitoes you know

1053
00:44:07,010 --> 00:44:03,990
hundreds of mosquitoes and after like a

1054
00:44:08,570 --> 00:44:07,020
minute of this torture I then grabbed my

1055
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:08,580
daughter's hand I said come on it's got

1056
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:10,020
it let's go inside these mosquitoes are

1057
00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:10,680
killing me

1058
00:44:15,020 --> 00:44:12,390
meanwhile this light show is still going

1059
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:15,030
on so we go inside the house and like

1060
00:44:18,020 --> 00:44:16,410
five minutes later my daughter goes to

1061
00:44:20,839 --> 00:44:18,030
be daddy there were no mosquitoes

1062
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:20,849
outside it was like the same sensation

1063
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:23,490
of I was in bed and I snapped out of

1064
00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:26,520
that hypnotic trance the same feeling

1065
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:28,619
it's like I woke up and I was like oh my

1066
00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:29,040
god

1067
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:30,900
what in the world just happened and so I

1068
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:34,260
grabbed went to grab my video camera my

1069
00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:37,560
camera regular cam and I ran outside and

1070
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:39,660
poof nothing was there it was completely

1071
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,900
gone it was after that event another

1072
00:44:47,420 --> 00:44:45,599
series of events occurred like for the

1073
00:44:50,329 --> 00:44:47,430
next several months and then it still

1074
00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:50,339
continues to this day but maybe be best

1075
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,440
not to get into those details because I

1076
00:44:55,700 --> 00:44:54,240
could literally spend the whole day

1077
00:44:58,130 --> 00:44:55,710
discussing the different experiences

1078
00:45:00,320 --> 00:44:58,140
that I've had and also what my wife and

1079
00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:00,330
my daughter and a lot of it deals with

1080
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,480
near-death experiences as well did you

1081
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:05,280
report any of this the local authorities

1082
00:45:10,849 --> 00:45:08,730
to MUFON anybody oh yes yes yes um I had

1083
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:10,859
signed up for MUFON about two weeks

1084
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:13,260
after my initial experience in March and

1085
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,089
I still have the check that I sent to

1086
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:18,720
MUFON it was on the 18th of March that I

1087
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:21,450
subscribed to move on and I didn't

1088
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,490
really report that to MUFON

1089
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:26,160
but after the second event in in August

1090
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:29,010
I then reported it to mph on and that we

1091
00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:30,210
had this and

1092
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:32,910
the Gator that lives here in Miami she

1093
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:34,970
used to be I think it was the the

1094
00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:38,520
assistant director of State Buffon and

1095
00:45:41,930 --> 00:45:39,780
she was a member of their Star team

1096
00:45:43,070 --> 00:45:41,940
she's an elderly lady retired

1097
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:43,080
schoolteacher

1098
00:45:49,609 --> 00:45:47,280
her name is Mary Margaret Zimmer she

1099
00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:49,619
came by and her husband also came with

1100
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:52,430
her her husband is a retired

1101
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:54,660
meteorologist a federal government

1102
00:45:58,820 --> 00:45:57,180
meteorologist that work in that that

1103
00:46:02,270 --> 00:45:58,830
hurricane center that they have here in

1104
00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:02,280
South Florida right and so Mary Mary's a

1105
00:46:07,550 --> 00:46:04,470
top-notch investigator I met her years

1106
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:07,560
ago and and was impressed with with her

1107
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:09,330
width and breadth of knowledge and and

1108
00:46:16,670 --> 00:46:13,040
her kind of an H is very analytical she

1109
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:16,680
is very methodical it just you know you

1110
00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:18,780
just get that impression from her so she

1111
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,660
was a good person to have you know

1112
00:46:26,420 --> 00:46:24,240
relate this story - yes no she was a

1113
00:46:29,859 --> 00:46:26,430
very thorough very smart lady

1114
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:29,869
very polite she has questions of myself

1115
00:46:35,060 --> 00:46:32,910
my wife I don't recall if she asked my

1116
00:46:37,579 --> 00:46:35,070
daughter questions but it was mainly my

1117
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:37,589
wife and I and then she did not

1118
00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:39,690
interview the other three witnesses even

1119
00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:41,700
though I did you know give her their

1120
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:43,260
names and said I can give you their

1121
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,570
telephone numbers and addresses but you

1122
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:48,000
know I asked her husband also I went

1123
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:50,760
outside with him and her and Marian we

1124
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,710
focused on you know how big it was how

1125
00:46:57,260 --> 00:46:54,960
far back it was that sort of thing and

1126
00:46:59,810 --> 00:46:57,270
also the object of my wife saw several

1127
00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:59,820
months before that huge craft and so I

1128
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:01,500
then took the opportunity to ask her

1129
00:47:05,420 --> 00:47:03,960
husband who's a meteorologist an expert

1130
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:05,430
you know an atmospheric conditions I

1131
00:47:09,859 --> 00:47:07,890
said after I've described all of this to

1132
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,869
you you know can you possibly come up

1133
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:12,240
with any you know rational explanation

1134
00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:14,250
of what this thing was you know you know

1135
00:47:19,099 --> 00:47:16,859
and he says no nothing what you're

1136
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:19,109
described becomes anywhere close to you

1137
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:21,450
know what you are describing and and

1138
00:47:24,650 --> 00:47:23,280
your daughter described I think that

1139
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:24,660
they did ask my daughter a couple of

1140
00:47:29,060 --> 00:47:27,480
questions and and you know I did I think

1141
00:47:30,829 --> 00:47:29,070
I don't know if I show them some

1142
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:30,839
drawings that we had made at that point

1143
00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:35,880
but but yes about the dog how did the

1144
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:38,670
dog do after this the dog lived for

1145
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:43,530
another 11 months roughly ten and a half

1146
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:43,800
of the

1147
00:47:49,940 --> 00:47:46,740
months she was like a Playgirl you know

1148
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:49,950
she was like like a teenager very very

1149
00:47:55,310 --> 00:47:51,530
healthy we are brought it to the dog

1150
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:55,320
because you know we wanted to see how

1151
00:47:59,600 --> 00:47:57,000
she was doing because she was acting

1152
00:48:01,310 --> 00:47:59,610
like she was completely healthy so the

1153
00:48:04,310 --> 00:48:01,320
vet checked her up I did some blood work

1154
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:04,320
on her and then later on told us I said

1155
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:05,730
I don't know what happened to her you

1156
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:07,950
know did you give her any vitamins and

1157
00:48:10,340 --> 00:48:09,450
he pills any medications that I don't

1158
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:10,350
know of that sort of thing

1159
00:48:14,570 --> 00:48:12,330
and so we didn't tell him you know we

1160
00:48:16,070 --> 00:48:14,580
just told him you know she just said if

1161
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:16,080
you told him angel dust he probably

1162
00:48:20,420 --> 00:48:18,960
should have done a double take yeah you

1163
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:20,430
know eventually I did tell him about a

1164
00:48:24,620 --> 00:48:22,380
year later this guy just looked at us

1165
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:24,630
like we were crazy you know and quickly

1166
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:27,480
changed the subject you know but a quick

1167
00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:28,920
question for Jeanne Jeanne have you ever

1168
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:32,390
heard of a spontaneous healing of a pet

1169
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:36,210
absolutely not okay this this is very

1170
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:39,630
unusual and I have had people claim that

1171
00:48:46,100 --> 00:48:41,940
in the past it's a livestock for

1172
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:46,110
instance seemed to be more perky and and

1173
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:49,020
seemed to be have gotten a new lease on

1174
00:48:54,770 --> 00:48:51,690
life after what may have been some sort

1175
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:54,780
of landing amongst the herd but the

1176
00:48:58,760 --> 00:48:56,490
other than that I've never I've never

1177
00:49:01,180 --> 00:48:58,770
heard of this before this is quite quite

1178
00:49:03,590 --> 00:49:01,190
unique in the annals of contact the

1179
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:03,600
experiences you know well I mean we've

1180
00:49:08,510 --> 00:49:05,850
done a head of us a little bit but in

1181
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,520
our research study we did have a very

1182
00:49:13,580 --> 00:49:11,280
large percent of individuals that

1183
00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:13,590
responded to our research study that

1184
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:18,180
stated that there was 38% it was 223

1185
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:20,850
people out of 591 that took the phase 2

1186
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:23,610
study that did report a medical healing

1187
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:26,490
by the ETS either of themselves or of a

1188
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:27,240
family member

1189
00:49:33,110 --> 00:49:30,480
so apparently medical healing by the ETS

1190
00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:33,120
is a very large yeah yeah that's

1191
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:35,730
different though it's an animal being

1192
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:38,220
spontaneously healed like that that's

1193
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:40,020
that's what I was referring to as being

1194
00:49:45,530 --> 00:49:41,940
here rare there there quite a number of

1195
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:45,540
cases in the literature of people

1196
00:49:49,940 --> 00:49:47,310
claiming to be healed and I had a case

1197
00:49:53,210 --> 00:49:49,950
in Colorado where a woman claimed to

1198
00:49:55,820 --> 00:49:53,220
have been healed from lupus I've just

1199
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:55,830
found out a case that was about a week

1200
00:50:00,500 --> 00:49:57,450
old now

1201
00:50:04,490 --> 00:50:00,510
this lady was was healed of Luke not

1202
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:04,500
only lupus he she had multi diseases and

1203
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:06,540
an ET came and healed her so that's a

1204
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:08,940
fresh new case well one thing I want to

1205
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:10,650
ask you here be and you'll see where I'm

1206
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:11,369
going with this

1207
00:50:19,310 --> 00:50:16,920
yes we're assuming this is ET doing this

1208
00:50:21,230 --> 00:50:19,320
well we've seen all these huge crafts

1209
00:50:24,380 --> 00:50:21,240
I've seen the huge craft my wife has

1210
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:24,390
seen the huge crafts one experience in

1211
00:50:33,050 --> 00:50:27,440
Mexico she saw these three very tall

1212
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:33,060
beings in a white robe that floated

1213
00:50:38,540 --> 00:50:36,720
maybe a 30 feet from her which he saw

1214
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:38,550
for 15 minutes they were like gliding

1215
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:44,280
and then they turned uh turned on a

1216
00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:48,180
ridge and then they disappeared so so I

1217
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:51,089
mean if you you see these tall beings in

1218
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:52,530
the eight or nine foot monk's robe

1219
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:54,450
floating in front of you and then

1220
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,250
disappear you're seeing all these huge

1221
00:51:03,290 --> 00:50:59,280
crafts that's why we made this leap that

1222
00:51:07,130 --> 00:51:03,300
it was a UFO et related even though what

1223
00:51:10,190 --> 00:51:07,140
I saw was a plasma energy being and what

1224
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:10,200
my wife saw was more of a metallic

1225
00:51:15,980 --> 00:51:13,050
object inside our living room how did

1226
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:15,990
she describe the the beans were they as

1227
00:51:20,780 --> 00:51:18,810
I guess they're described in the

1228
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:20,790
literature like tall Nordic types or

1229
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:23,250
were they insectoids uh no no these were

1230
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,470
human human looking types

1231
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:27,599
let's go into more of the detail the

1232
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,569
beings that were seen Rey Hernandez

1233
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:32,880
joining gene and Krisher in the beer

1234
00:51:43,570 --> 00:51:41,050
great minds think alike the network for

1235
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:43,580
the independent finding the genesis

1236
00:51:50,830 --> 00:51:48,410
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1237
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1238
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1239
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1240
00:52:00,490 --> 00:51:58,160
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1241
00:52:03,490 --> 00:52:00,500
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1242
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1243
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1244
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1245
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1246
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:12,500
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1247
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1248
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1249
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:18,320
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1250
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1251
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:23,000
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1252
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1253
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1254
00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:30,710
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1255
00:52:35,980 --> 00:52:33,560
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1256
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:35,990
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1257
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1258
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1259
00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:49,550
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1260
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:51,980
Gold isn't for you today Anderson

1261
00:52:55,850 --> 00:52:53,970
president of Midas Resources one of the

1262
00:52:57,860 --> 00:52:55,860
world's premier gold and precious metal

1263
00:52:59,480 --> 00:52:57,870
investing firms I get it you wouldn't

1264
00:53:01,580 --> 00:52:59,490
buy gold if you believed that the

1265
00:53:03,380 --> 00:53:01,590
government is doing a great job that the

1266
00:53:05,420 --> 00:53:03,390
Fed will stop handing out trillions of

1267
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:05,430
dollars like bailout candy that social

1268
00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:07,170
security would be there for you that's

1269
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:08,220
not what's happening

1270
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,440
you might even pass on gold if the

1271
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,480
stimulus package wouldn't fuel inflation

1272
00:53:16,580 --> 00:53:14,640
or that the dollar wouldn't lose value

1273
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:16,590
or that your retirement would be secure

1274
00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:19,050
if all looks rosy to you then now is not

1275
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:21,030
the time to buy gold or the realists

1276
00:53:24,650 --> 00:53:22,410
there have never been more sobering

1277
00:53:27,770 --> 00:53:24,660
reasons to diversify with gold since

1278
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:27,780
2001 the US Dollar Index has tanked 30

1279
00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:30,300
percent while gold has risen 300 percent

1280
00:53:34,490 --> 00:53:32,280
right now savvy investors are adding

1281
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:34,500
gold to their portfolios you should to

1282
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,510
find out what they know call us and I'll

1283
00:53:40,460 --> 00:53:38,160
send you 10 reasons why gold will do

1284
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:40,470
very well three eight hundred six eight

1285
00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:42,540
six two two three seven eight hundred

1286
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:45,150
six eight six two two three seven that's

1287
00:53:55,969 --> 00:53:47,130
eight hundred six eight six two two

1288
00:54:03,979 --> 00:53:59,670
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1289
00:54:12,749 --> 00:54:03,989
standard of paranormal radio and now

1290
00:54:15,140 --> 00:54:12,759
here's Jane Steinberg now this has

1291
00:54:17,309 --> 00:54:15,150
become one of the more fascinating

1292
00:54:19,529 --> 00:54:17,319
introductions to a podcast interview

1293
00:54:22,289 --> 00:54:19,539
with a guest or we're getting all these

1294
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:22,299
fascinating I guess in some ways could

1295
00:54:28,620 --> 00:54:24,910
be frightening or startling encounters

1296
00:54:31,489 --> 00:54:28,630
that Rey Hernandez is attributing to ET

1297
00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:31,499
let's go on okay first of all

1298
00:54:34,620 --> 00:54:33,640
clarification from the perspective of my

1299
00:54:37,140 --> 00:54:34,630
wife and myself

1300
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:37,150
they were never frightening looking back

1301
00:54:41,370 --> 00:54:38,890
in retrospect though they were never

1302
00:54:43,170 --> 00:54:41,380
frightening at all when I saw that thing

1303
00:54:46,499 --> 00:54:43,180
inside of our living room

1304
00:54:48,539 --> 00:54:46,509
to me it's just pure I was bewildered I

1305
00:54:51,390 --> 00:54:48,549
had no idea what these things were cause

1306
00:54:53,370 --> 00:54:51,400
I had no never had an exposure to UFOs

1307
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:53,380
to ETS the paranormal

1308
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:55,359
all those people were interested in

1309
00:54:58,529 --> 00:54:57,249
those things were Kooks you know I might

1310
00:54:59,819 --> 00:54:58,539
have seen a couple of ancient alien

1311
00:55:02,999 --> 00:54:59,829
episodes late at night when I couldn't

1312
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:03,009
get to sleep but that's about it and my

1313
00:55:07,859 --> 00:55:05,170
wife my wife doesn't even use the

1314
00:55:10,979 --> 00:55:07,869
Internet she was never exposed to any of

1315
00:55:13,319 --> 00:55:10,989
these things so to her that they're

1316
00:55:16,229 --> 00:55:13,329
angels I mean there's no any which way

1317
00:55:17,969 --> 00:55:16,239
but loose but now she's not a hardcore

1318
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:17,979
Catholic like she was before now she's

1319
00:55:21,359 --> 00:55:19,930
very spiritual but she still firmly

1320
00:55:25,019 --> 00:55:21,369
believes that they're these types of

1321
00:55:27,229 --> 00:55:25,029
experiences yes commencing to middle

1322
00:55:29,219 --> 00:55:27,239
aged people that's also pretty rare

1323
00:55:31,799 --> 00:55:29,229
general generally these types of

1324
00:55:34,380 --> 00:55:31,809
experiences happen early in life to have

1325
00:55:36,930 --> 00:55:34,390
a middle-aged couple such as yourself

1326
00:55:40,499 --> 00:55:36,940
and your wife to have initial

1327
00:55:42,299 --> 00:55:40,509
experiences is is pretty rare you don't

1328
00:55:44,999 --> 00:55:42,309
normally equate these types of

1329
00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:45,009
experiences commencing to middle aged

1330
00:55:50,190 --> 00:55:47,950
folks do you have any memory at all you

1331
00:55:52,529 --> 00:55:50,200
and your wife of having any other

1332
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:52,539
unusual encounters at any time in your

1333
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:55,839
life I subsequently I I don't I don't

1334
00:56:00,749 --> 00:55:58,210
have no recollection of any encounters

1335
00:56:01,469 --> 00:56:00,759
any paranormal experiences nothing out

1336
00:56:05,370 --> 00:56:01,479
of the ordinary

1337
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:05,380
nothing my wife on the other hand when

1338
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:08,010
we spoke about it she recalls seeing

1339
00:56:13,730 --> 00:56:10,740
a craft when she was younger more like a

1340
00:56:16,340 --> 00:56:13,740
very large orb and then her mother when

1341
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:16,350
I spoke with her mom she also has on a

1342
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:18,330
couple of occasions seeing these very

1343
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:19,920
large orbs because they grew up in the

1344
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:23,940
countryside her sister has had her own

1345
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:27,110
visions she saw this huge craft one time

1346
00:56:36,860 --> 00:56:32,850
you know recently and also yeah

1347
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:36,870
and some paranormal experiences these

1348
00:56:48,340 --> 00:56:39,710
are indeed down in Mexico down in Mexico

1349
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:48,350
part in the state of who's okay which is

1350
00:56:53,780 --> 00:56:51,960
on the true Mexico but on the East Coast

1351
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,790
it's right on the Gulf of Mecca so it's

1352
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:55,680
a that's the area and she grew up

1353
00:56:59,360 --> 00:56:57,660
actually this is an interesting little

1354
00:57:02,450 --> 00:56:59,370
story here she grew up in this city

1355
00:57:05,180 --> 00:57:02,460
called the city of the shaman's they

1356
00:57:08,270 --> 00:57:05,190
call it the la ciudad or brujos and the

1357
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:08,280
city's Kolkata Marco Mexico and and it's

1358
00:57:13,730 --> 00:57:10,830
a very large shamanic tradition in that

1359
00:57:16,460 --> 00:57:13,740
region and I remember her mom one time

1360
00:57:18,110 --> 00:57:16,470
when I saw be she did a little ceremony

1361
00:57:19,220 --> 00:57:18,120
on me where she had an egg and she put

1362
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:19,230
the egg all over me

1363
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:21,930
she cracked it she had this special herb

1364
00:57:26,900 --> 00:57:24,330
and she dipped it in holy water and this

1365
00:57:29,980 --> 00:57:26,910
whole cleansing ceremony so her mom grew

1366
00:57:32,540 --> 00:57:29,990
up with that shamanic tradition as well

1367
00:57:35,150 --> 00:57:32,550
so when I take it then that these

1368
00:57:39,610 --> 00:57:35,160
experiences you had in recent years that

1369
00:57:43,790 --> 00:57:39,620
took you to the organization free yes

1370
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:43,800
what had happened was that again this is

1371
00:57:50,180 --> 00:57:47,760
another crazy story Jean but used today

1372
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:50,190
is already you could talk to Mary rod

1373
00:57:55,130 --> 00:57:52,890
well you could talk to dr. Rudy shields

1374
00:57:57,380 --> 00:57:55,140
from Harvard you could talk to Edgar

1375
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,390
Mitchell in terms of the chronology of

1376
00:58:02,540 --> 00:57:59,520
this of what happened what happened was

1377
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:02,550
in May several days after I had gone to

1378
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:06,480
my first ever UFO conference in Sebring

1379
00:58:13,790 --> 00:58:10,010
Florida I that was the first time I ever

1380
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:13,800
met grant Cameron Kathleen Mardon

1381
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:16,410
I was totally you know unaware of a lot

1382
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,630
of these individuals and so when I got

1383
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:20,640
back was a few days later that

1384
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:22,920
I was the middle of a traffic jam and I

1385
00:58:26,569 --> 00:58:25,200
got what I am describing as an ET

1386
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:26,579
telegram

1387
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:29,450
what it was was basically it's um a

1388
00:58:34,370 --> 00:58:31,650
message that came to my head it wasn't

1389
00:58:37,700 --> 00:58:34,380
like a voice it was like a very detailed

1390
00:58:40,819 --> 00:58:37,710
thought that gave me instructions and

1391
00:58:43,460 --> 00:58:40,829
then at the same time I saw a video I

1392
00:58:45,470 --> 00:58:43,470
was inside a wheel a huge gigantic wheel

1393
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,480
with various spokes that were spinning

1394
00:58:50,359 --> 00:58:48,240
around me and inside the different

1395
00:58:53,630 --> 00:58:50,369
spokes were all of the different contact

1396
00:58:55,609 --> 00:58:53,640
modalities in terms of near-death

1397
00:59:00,019 --> 00:58:55,619
experiences in terms of channeling in

1398
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:00,029
terms of ETS remote-viewing hallucinogen

1399
00:59:04,609 --> 00:59:02,970
genic contacts you name it all the

1400
00:59:07,849 --> 00:59:04,619
different ways that are people having

1401
00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:07,859
contact work inside each of the

1402
00:59:12,259 --> 00:59:09,990
different spokes and then what was

1403
00:59:14,029 --> 00:59:12,269
holding it together in my head you know

1404
00:59:18,740 --> 00:59:14,039
I saw it that's like a the quantum

1405
00:59:20,359 --> 00:59:18,750
physics / consciousness and and then the

1406
00:59:22,759 --> 00:59:20,369
instructions that I got was very short

1407
00:59:25,099 --> 00:59:22,769
was basically I had to tell you know

1408
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:25,109
Humanity of the relationship between ETS

1409
00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:28,319
the spirit world and quantum physics and

1410
00:59:34,220 --> 00:59:30,660
then it gave me two criteria the

1411
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:34,230
criteria this is not about money and the

1412
00:59:39,499 --> 00:59:36,960
fault you need you need help and you

1413
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:39,509
need to try to minimize ego and that's

1414
00:59:43,249 --> 00:59:40,410
it okay

1415
00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:43,259
and I was like immediately at 8:30 in

1416
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:44,460
the morning I called this only

1417
00:59:48,410 --> 00:59:46,170
experiencer that I've been communicating

1418
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:48,420
with and in the middle of the traffic

1419
00:59:51,859 --> 00:59:49,710
jam and I told her what the hell's going

1420
00:59:54,049 --> 00:59:51,869
on and and she said that you know she

1421
00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:54,059
has gotten those types of quote-unquote

1422
00:59:58,370 --> 00:59:55,799
downloads in the past and not to freak

1423
00:59:59,870 --> 00:59:58,380
out and then that night when I got home

1424
01:00:02,059 --> 00:59:59,880
it was at night it was actually in the

1425
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:02,069
afternoon when I got home I got an email

1426
01:00:07,339 --> 01:00:04,680
from Mary Rodwell and it was responding

1427
01:00:10,130 --> 01:00:07,349
to an email that I had sent her six to

1428
01:00:11,569 --> 01:00:10,140
seven months earlier and she said dear

1429
01:00:13,789 --> 01:00:11,579
ray I'm sorry I'm responding to this

1430
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:13,799
email now that's six or seven months old

1431
01:00:19,609 --> 01:00:17,130
but I'm just popped up on my screen okay

1432
01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:19,619
and she's and what it was was me trying

1433
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,380
to find someone to talk to about that

1434
01:00:27,049 --> 01:00:24,240
huge experience that I had with that

1435
01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:27,059
without a huge craft and I sent it to

1436
01:00:31,730 --> 01:00:28,710
like maybe 10 different well-known

1437
01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:31,740
investigators you know grant Cameron you

1438
01:00:34,279 --> 01:00:33,390
know Mary rod wall there was maybe even

1439
01:00:35,779 --> 01:00:34,289
Kathleen

1440
01:00:37,699 --> 01:00:35,789
a whole bunch of other people Whitley

1441
01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:37,709
Strieber okay and I had gotten like

1442
01:00:42,109 --> 01:00:39,630
maybe three or four responses beforehand

1443
01:00:44,509 --> 01:00:42,119
and so Mary was responding to that email

1444
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:44,519
that old email so then as she said

1445
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:46,169
responded back she says ray I would love

1446
01:00:49,309 --> 01:00:47,369
to talk to you you know let's go on

1447
01:00:50,659 --> 01:00:49,319
Skype and I didn't even know what Skype

1448
01:00:53,150 --> 01:00:50,669
was she was one that taught me how to

1449
01:00:55,969 --> 01:00:53,160
use Skype so then on the Skype

1450
01:00:57,739 --> 01:00:55,979
conversation she told me we discussed my

1451
01:01:00,009 --> 01:00:57,749
experiences and she said that you know

1452
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:00,019
she's never met anyone that has had

1453
01:01:06,189 --> 01:01:03,599
contact with a such a huge craft at such

1454
01:01:08,329 --> 01:01:06,199
a close distance for such a long time

1455
01:01:12,019 --> 01:01:08,339
and some of the other near-death

1456
01:01:15,289 --> 01:01:12,029
experiences experiences that happened to

1457
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:15,299
me she never really heard anything close

1458
01:01:20,269 --> 01:01:18,630
to that because it wasn't just an NDE

1459
01:01:23,779 --> 01:01:20,279
was a whole bunch of other stuff

1460
01:01:25,849 --> 01:01:23,789
associated with it and and so then she

1461
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:25,859
that told me very briefly about dr. rudi

1462
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:27,599
Sheils who's a good friend of hers and

1463
01:01:32,329 --> 01:01:29,609
he's an astrophysicist at Harvard and

1464
01:01:34,009 --> 01:01:32,339
used to work with dr. Mac then we agreed

1465
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:34,019
to continue our discussions the next day

1466
01:01:38,329 --> 01:01:36,089
then at 9:30 in the morning the very

1467
01:01:40,279 --> 01:01:38,339
next day I got a phone call and it was

1468
01:01:41,779 --> 01:01:40,289
from dr. Rudy shields and I didn't even

1469
01:01:43,489 --> 01:01:41,789
know who this person was I totally

1470
01:01:46,249 --> 01:01:43,499
forgot our conversation with Mary and

1471
01:01:49,099 --> 01:01:46,259
then he reintroduced himself and then he

1472
01:01:51,919 --> 01:01:49,109
basically went on for 90 minutes to give

1473
01:01:54,919 --> 01:01:51,929
me a lecture of how advanced physics can

1474
01:01:56,749 --> 01:01:54,929
explain all of the paranormal phenomenon

1475
01:02:00,229 --> 01:01:56,759
and that division that I actually had

1476
01:02:03,049 --> 01:02:00,239
was 100% correct that all of these

1477
01:02:06,289 --> 01:02:03,059
various paranormal aspects of contact

1478
01:02:09,799 --> 01:02:06,299
modalities are related to consciousness

1479
01:02:12,429 --> 01:02:09,809
and that scientists are not beginning to

1480
01:02:14,959 --> 01:02:12,439
try to explain how advanced physics

1481
01:02:17,269 --> 01:02:14,969
particularly the quantum hologram theory

1482
01:02:20,329 --> 01:02:17,279
of physics can begin to explain all

1483
01:02:21,949 --> 01:02:20,339
these phenomenon and then it was Rudy

1484
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:21,959
was the one that told me right these ETS

1485
01:02:26,419 --> 01:02:24,569
gave you a mission they told you they

1486
01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:26,429
something that you needed to do so I

1487
01:02:30,169 --> 01:02:28,169
encourage you to do it and if you do

1488
01:02:32,209 --> 01:02:30,179
decide what you want to do I will be

1489
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:32,219
here to back you up and but it sounds to

1490
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:34,130
me that you need to form an organization

1491
01:02:39,319 --> 01:02:36,569
and I will believe a scientific adviser

1492
01:02:40,969 --> 01:02:39,329
and I said but Rudy I was never told

1493
01:02:42,409 --> 01:02:40,979
what to do I never even thought of an

1494
01:02:44,839 --> 01:02:42,419
organization he says well you know

1495
01:02:46,579 --> 01:02:44,849
you'll figure it out and he says a

1496
01:02:47,779 --> 01:02:46,589
matter-of-fact jot down this telephone

1497
01:02:48,110 --> 01:02:47,789
number and I jot it down the telephone

1498
01:02:53,390 --> 01:02:48,120
number

1499
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:53,400
of my mentor dr. Edgar Mitchell and give

1500
01:02:55,970 --> 01:02:54,690
him a call cuz I'm gonna send him an

1501
01:02:56,810 --> 01:02:55,980
email and I'm gonna chat with Agri

1502
01:03:00,860 --> 01:02:56,820
because what you're telling me is

1503
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:00,870
extremely important so then I I worked

1504
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:02,730
up the courage like four hours later to

1505
01:03:06,140 --> 01:03:04,890
give dr. Mitchell a phone call and then

1506
01:03:08,570 --> 01:03:06,150
what I called him up he immediately

1507
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:08,580
invited me to his house and I spent the

1508
01:03:13,940 --> 01:03:10,530
whole day at his house the next day and

1509
01:03:15,890 --> 01:03:13,950
there it was unbelievable the

1510
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:15,900
conversations that we had with Edgar and

1511
01:03:19,790 --> 01:03:17,490
at the end of it all he says ray you

1512
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:19,800
need to listen to to these ETS what they

1513
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,050
told you and Rudy and I already

1514
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:24,480
discussed it you know we think you ought

1515
01:03:28,910 --> 01:03:26,490
to form an organization and that we will

1516
01:03:31,340 --> 01:03:28,920
be your first scientific advisors and

1517
01:03:33,170 --> 01:03:31,350
then again I told Edgar I have no idea

1518
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:33,180
what what I'm going to be doing you know

1519
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:34,530
what should we do

1520
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:36,210
and he says don't worry it'll come to

1521
01:03:40,460 --> 01:03:38,130
you well it's gonna come right now as a

1522
01:03:49,730 --> 01:03:40,470
brief break we have more to come with

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there a secret UFO agenda estranged

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how they managed to put together that

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Rey okay

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fairly quickly afterwards we started to

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develop sort of like a mission state and

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what the organization what we would be

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doing and what we decided to focus on is

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to do a comprehensive quote/unquote

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scientific research study of the et

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contact phenomenon and the reason for

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that was I describe my my academic

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background when I had my initial

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experiences I went to the internet and

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and what I found was just total

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confusion you know they're they're

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Devils they're they're angels Aaron

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nanaki's they're Neff affiliates and all

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these so-called experts were

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contradicting each other and I was like

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you know what in the world is going on

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oh I want some straight answers you know

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what what is happening to me and then I

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started to do a literature and academic

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literature review of the et contact

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phenomenon and what I discovered was

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that there was almost nothing that was

1676
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written about it quantitatively it was

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just numerous compilations of of

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interviews and anecdotal stories and the

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very few quantitative studies that were

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done were basically studies that tested

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whether we were crazier now and so

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that's how we began to compile the

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possible questions for our experience or

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research study and now it's just

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exploded to this huge gigantic study I

1686
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don't know if you want me to well I have

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a question running into any flack for

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appearing to put all your eggs in one

1689
01:11:03,819 --> 01:11:02,210
basket with the word extraterrestrial

1690
01:11:05,259 --> 01:11:03,829
done to me there's something like

1691
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extraordinary if you want to have the

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free acronym something like

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extraordinary encounters or extra

1694
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:12,769
mundane encounters or something that

1695
01:11:17,410 --> 01:11:15,409
that is a little bit less problematic in

1696
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terms of creating a knee-jerk response

1697
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:19,820
among a fairly

1698
01:11:24,700 --> 01:11:21,170
large percentage of scientists and

1699
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academics were extremely dismissive of

1700
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anything that has extraterrestrial

1701
01:11:32,140 --> 01:11:29,360
attached to it okay let me address that

1702
01:11:35,290 --> 01:11:32,150
question in the various documents that

1703
01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:35,300
we send out we clarify what we mean by

1704
01:11:42,189 --> 01:11:39,340
ET but what we mean by T is we mean

1705
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non-human intelligent being so we're

1706
01:11:47,890 --> 01:11:44,960
defining as that we're also stating that

1707
01:11:52,209 --> 01:11:47,900
in this initial phase of our research

1708
01:11:55,629 --> 01:11:52,219
we're focusing on ufo-related contact

1709
01:11:57,790 --> 01:11:55,639
with non-human intelligent beings but

1710
01:12:00,339 --> 01:11:57,800
non-human intelligent beings aren't

1711
01:12:03,790 --> 01:12:00,349
necessarily extraterrestrial I think I

1712
01:12:07,140 --> 01:12:03,800
think the et word has a lot a lot of

1713
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:07,150
baggage attached well it is it is it is

1714
01:12:12,189 --> 01:12:10,250
telegraphing foregone conclusion well

1715
01:12:15,069 --> 01:12:12,199
here's the thing we're redefining the

1716
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:15,079
term ET we're not using the common term

1717
01:12:20,350 --> 01:12:18,320
as being thrown out there okay we're

1718
01:12:22,959 --> 01:12:20,360
using that as a very simplistic catch

1719
01:12:25,149 --> 01:12:22,969
phrase which then we're redefining in

1720
01:12:28,209 --> 01:12:25,159
all the documents that we send out so

1721
01:12:31,270 --> 01:12:28,219
basically you're saying ET for

1722
01:12:33,970 --> 01:12:31,280
simplicity but it may not be ET correct

1723
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:33,980
correct right exactly that's what we're

1724
01:12:40,030 --> 01:12:36,400
doing for simplicity's sake so we can

1725
01:12:42,270 --> 01:12:40,040
begin to to talk about this subject but

1726
01:12:44,830 --> 01:12:42,280
we're defining it as non-human

1727
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:44,840
intelligent being you know a conscious

1728
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:47,449
being that's non-human and also as I

1729
01:12:53,490 --> 01:12:49,280
stated earlier our approach in our

1730
01:12:55,899 --> 01:12:53,500
organization is that all these different

1731
01:12:58,419 --> 01:12:55,909
communications contact with these

1732
01:13:01,810 --> 01:12:58,429
conscious non-human beings are all

1733
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:01,820
interrelated and and while the fields

1734
01:13:06,399 --> 01:13:04,159
have been segmenting this that oh this

1735
01:13:06,879 --> 01:13:06,409
is a ghost oh this is contact through an

1736
01:13:08,319 --> 01:13:06,889
NDE

1737
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:08,329
right it's all stove piped in

1738
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:10,610
compartmentalized and in hurry but

1739
01:13:16,419 --> 01:13:13,250
here's a quick question how about my

1740
01:13:18,580 --> 01:13:16,429
labs any sort of terrestrial potential

1741
01:13:20,740 --> 01:13:18,590
explanations for instance how close is

1742
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the nearest military base where you live

1743
01:13:26,859 --> 01:13:24,380
yeah we we do have I think it's eight my

1744
01:13:33,050 --> 01:13:26,869
lab questions and we're in the process

1745
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:33,060
of doing secondary questionnaires

1746
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:36,480
I can we are to backtrack a little bit

1747
01:13:44,570 --> 01:13:39,170
our research study is comprised of three

1748
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:44,580
surveys phase 1 phase 2 phase 3 phase 1

1749
01:13:50,180 --> 01:13:47,040
and phase 2 we have a total of 600

1750
01:13:52,100 --> 01:13:50,190
questions for phase 3 we're still in the

1751
01:13:55,070 --> 01:13:52,110
process of developing those questions

1752
01:13:58,189 --> 01:13:55,080
and then the last step phase 4

1753
01:14:02,720 --> 01:13:58,199
our formal interviews with the major

1754
01:14:06,290 --> 01:14:02,730
cases and in addition what we're doing

1755
01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:06,300
is we're doing sub surveys on specific

1756
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:08,280
categories right now we have a

1757
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:10,400
subcommittee that's working on

1758
01:14:15,610 --> 01:14:13,050
developing a separate survey for the

1759
01:14:19,610 --> 01:14:15,620
individuals that have had both

1760
01:14:23,810 --> 01:14:19,620
near-death experiences and ufo-related

1761
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,820
type of et contact experiences and we've

1762
01:14:27,350 --> 01:14:25,920
had a very large number and I'll go into

1763
01:14:30,050 --> 01:14:27,360
that detail later on and what those

1764
01:14:31,939 --> 01:14:30,060
numbers are so we we are doing a

1765
01:14:35,090 --> 01:14:31,949
separate survey for that and we're also

1766
01:14:37,310 --> 01:14:35,100
doing a survey on my Lance we've just

1767
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:37,320
finished speaking with Melinda Leslie

1768
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:40,530
who has worked on my labs questionnaires

1769
01:14:48,860 --> 01:14:45,510
for many years and so what we're doing

1770
01:14:52,220 --> 01:14:48,870
is we're actually coming up with then a

1771
01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:52,230
series of subset questionnaires on very

1772
01:14:58,490 --> 01:14:57,060
specific issues now in terms of if I

1773
01:15:00,200 --> 01:14:58,500
could go back in terms of the

1774
01:15:03,860 --> 01:15:00,210
individuals involved with freak and I

1775
01:15:05,629 --> 01:15:03,870
sort of like refocus to that that area

1776
01:15:08,030 --> 01:15:05,639
I'm just wondering quickly before you go

1777
01:15:09,610 --> 01:15:08,040
on and do that how how close is the

1778
01:15:13,300 --> 01:15:09,620
nearest military installation you

1779
01:15:16,310 --> 01:15:13,310
homestead military base basically maybe

1780
01:15:20,510 --> 01:15:16,320
15 miles away 20 miles away okay

1781
01:15:23,959 --> 01:15:20,520
continue okay yeah the as I said before

1782
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:23,969
let me go over the board of directors as

1783
01:15:27,290 --> 01:15:26,010
I stated earlier dr. Rudy shields was

1784
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:27,300
this emeritus professor of astrophysics

1785
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:31,650
at Harvard is the executive director and

1786
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:34,320
then our board is comprised of dr. Edgar

1787
01:15:41,030 --> 01:15:37,710
Mitchell dr. John clemo which I'm sure

1788
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:41,040
both of you know who he is is that an

1789
01:15:45,950 --> 01:15:43,199
assumption or do you know of dr. claim

1790
01:15:49,970 --> 01:15:45,960
oh the name rings a bell but refresh

1791
01:15:52,729 --> 01:15:49,980
our listeners okay dr. Clem oh it's just

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a recently retired professor of over 40

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years as a tenured professor in the

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fields of transpersonal psychology and

1795
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parapsychology his most famous book is a

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book titled channeling which has been

1797
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translated to 18 languages and he's new

1798
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written numerous academic articles on

1799
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near-death experiences on on channeling

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on ghosts spirits on death the death

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experience so and he's also taught

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research methodology for most of his 40

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years as a professor and has chaired

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1917
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Keep Calm today let's move quickly

1918
01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,260
through this okay ray we want to get

1919
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:10,880
into the work that you're doing

1920
01:21:15,910 --> 01:21:13,730
okay and answer some questions from

1921
01:21:18,130 --> 01:21:15,920
listeners Rey Hernandez joining gene and

1922
01:21:19,630 --> 01:21:18,140
Chris on the para cast let me just go

1923
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:19,640
over very quickly the other individuals

1924
01:21:24,130 --> 01:21:21,770
the other one is dr. Leo sprinkle who's

1925
01:21:26,700 --> 01:21:24,140
the first academic he's 85 years old

1926
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:26,710
he's the first academic that published

1927
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:29,510
academic articles on the experiencer

1928
01:21:35,140 --> 01:21:32,690
phenomenon we have to Bob dr. Bob Davis

1929
01:21:37,630 --> 01:21:35,150
who is a neuroscientist and has written

1930
01:21:39,910 --> 01:21:37,640
a book on on UFOs it's titled UFOs

1931
01:21:42,910 --> 01:21:39,920
should we believe he's also a retired

1932
01:21:45,370 --> 01:21:42,920
professor we have dr. Michael Milton who

1933
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:45,380
is a PC psychologist who has worked with

1934
01:21:52,690 --> 01:21:48,800
experiencers for close to 10 years and

1935
01:21:55,390 --> 01:21:52,700
he's a member of muffins experiencer

1936
01:21:58,420 --> 01:21:55,400
research team the Inanna academics in

1937
01:22:01,270 --> 01:21:58,430
our group are mary rod well kathleen

1938
01:22:02,770 --> 01:22:01,280
mardan giorgo Piacenza from peru and

1939
01:22:05,260 --> 01:22:02,780
rosemary ellen guiley

1940
01:22:05,770 --> 01:22:05,270
that that is the makeup of our board of

1941
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:05,780
directors

1942
01:22:10,420 --> 01:22:08,650
yeah I'd say pretty August company there

1943
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:10,430
correct correct and it's quite

1944
01:22:15,250 --> 01:22:13,010
diversified their backgrounds and

1945
01:22:17,950 --> 01:22:15,260
experiences and their approaches to this

1946
01:22:20,230 --> 01:22:17,960
phenomenon and there is a true pioneer

1947
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:20,240
is this one of the sweetest guys you'll

1948
01:22:24,420 --> 01:22:21,050
ever want to meet

1949
01:22:28,470 --> 01:22:24,430
and it's really gratifying

1950
01:22:30,270 --> 01:22:28,480
I'm I'm actually I'm getting warm and

1951
01:22:33,060 --> 01:22:30,280
fuzzy thinking that that leo at his

1952
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:33,070
advanced age is still being active in

1953
01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:35,770
the field I mean he's he was going in

1954
01:22:39,780 --> 01:22:38,290
the you know going to mid 60's

1955
01:22:43,140 --> 01:22:39,790
I think there's when he got his start in

1956
01:22:45,570 --> 01:22:43,150
the field he was on the telephone call

1957
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:45,580
last night with various of these

1958
01:22:50,430 --> 01:22:48,970
academics and our researchers and we

1959
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:50,440
were going over some methodological

1960
01:22:56,550 --> 01:22:53,650
issues with our research study so Leo is

1961
01:22:59,070 --> 01:22:56,560
still you know 100 percent working with

1962
01:23:01,860 --> 01:22:59,080
us guiding us giving us exceptional

1963
01:23:04,110 --> 01:23:01,870
feedback supportive of what we're doing

1964
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:04,120
and he's one of the the foundations of

1965
01:23:08,460 --> 01:23:06,730
what we're doing should I go over now in

1966
01:23:10,410 --> 01:23:08,470
terms of the study go over a little bit

1967
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:10,420
more in terms of the actual research

1968
01:23:15,330 --> 01:23:12,490
study certainly I think a breakdown of

1969
01:23:17,820 --> 01:23:15,340
parts 1 2 and you've already mentioned

1970
01:23:20,310 --> 01:23:17,830
the part 3 I think is uh actually face

1971
01:23:23,460 --> 01:23:20,320
interviews 600 questions that's pretty

1972
01:23:26,010 --> 01:23:23,470
pretty comprehensive correct that's just

1973
01:23:28,140 --> 01:23:26,020
phase 1 and phase 2 phase 3 we're in

1974
01:23:30,780 --> 01:23:28,150
developing the questions now for phase 3

1975
01:23:33,540 --> 01:23:30,790
and phase 3 will also contain some type

1976
01:23:36,750 --> 01:23:33,550
of psychological profile study because

1977
01:23:39,570 --> 01:23:36,760
what we're doing is we're trying we

1978
01:23:41,730 --> 01:23:39,580
tried to publish this in an academic

1979
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:41,740
research journal and we're gonna have

1980
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:45,370
peer reviewed critiques of it so we're

1981
01:23:47,820 --> 01:23:47,170
gonna be attacked left and right with

1982
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:47,830
what we're doing

1983
01:23:54,060 --> 01:23:50,410
so yesterday's meeting was okay let's go

1984
01:23:55,470 --> 01:23:54,070
over all we've been meeting chatting for

1985
01:23:57,390 --> 01:23:55,480
about two weeks internally through

1986
01:23:59,370 --> 01:23:57,400
emails going over all the possible ways

1987
01:24:00,930 --> 01:23:59,380
that we're gonna be attacked and so

1988
01:24:03,390 --> 01:24:00,940
yesterday's meeting was to try to reach

1989
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:03,400
a consensus of what needs to be done to

1990
01:24:09,470 --> 01:24:06,970
address those possible critiques of our

1991
01:24:11,370 --> 01:24:09,480
study the best defense is a good offense

1992
01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:11,380
correct that's what we were doing

1993
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:15,490
yesterday and so I apologize Chris what

1994
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:17,920
was your question again I just you know

1995
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:20,650
I was saying to continue explaining okay

1996
01:24:24,810 --> 01:24:22,570
to our listeners what how part one in

1997
01:24:27,210 --> 01:24:24,820
part to a different case in what sort of

1998
01:24:29,660 --> 01:24:27,220
methodology or you're using okay yeah

1999
01:24:33,630 --> 01:24:29,670
part three is we're gonna be

2000
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:33,640
incorporating a psychological profile

2001
01:24:38,339 --> 01:24:36,970
battery to try to eliminate the hardcore

2002
01:24:40,290 --> 01:24:38,349
individuals that I've meant

2003
01:24:44,219 --> 01:24:40,300
illnesses now the problem that we're

2004
01:24:46,889 --> 01:24:44,229
facing in this area is goodness the vast

2005
01:24:49,619 --> 01:24:46,899
majority of people in our board or

2006
01:24:51,839 --> 01:24:49,629
experiencers and if we were to take some

2007
01:24:54,119 --> 01:24:51,849
of those tests you know in terms of you

2008
01:24:56,310 --> 01:24:54,129
know mental illness a batteries of tests

2009
01:24:58,799 --> 01:24:56,320
we might come out that we've got some

2010
01:25:00,209 --> 01:24:58,809
form of mental illness because all of a

2011
01:25:01,619 --> 01:25:00,219
sudden you're communicating with a

2012
01:25:05,759 --> 01:25:01,629
non-physical being you're having

2013
01:25:07,069 --> 01:25:05,769
telepathic communication sounds like the

2014
01:25:10,649 --> 01:25:07,079
inmates running the asylum

2015
01:25:12,379 --> 01:25:10,659
exactly you're being brought forth to a

2016
01:25:14,609 --> 01:25:12,389
matrix type of reality where you have

2017
01:25:17,339 --> 01:25:14,619
conscious interactions with a sentient

2018
01:25:20,580 --> 01:25:17,349
being you know etc etc so this is a very

2019
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:20,590
difficult task to try to address that

2020
01:25:24,479 --> 01:25:22,449
concern that we know we're all going to

2021
01:25:26,849 --> 01:25:24,489
be having but yet not throwing out the

2022
01:25:29,399 --> 01:25:26,859
baby with the bathwater okay on top of

2023
01:25:31,259 --> 01:25:29,409
addressing these types of psychological

2024
01:25:32,699 --> 01:25:31,269
issues in Phase three we're also going

2025
01:25:35,639 --> 01:25:32,709
to be addressing a whole series of

2026
01:25:37,979 --> 01:25:35,649
questions that were not asked in phase

2027
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:37,989
one and phase two and then the last

2028
01:25:43,679 --> 01:25:39,489
phase phase four are one-on-one

2029
01:25:45,869 --> 01:25:43,689
interviews and so also to reiterate

2030
01:25:49,500 --> 01:25:45,879
again we have this study going on in

2031
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:49,510
several languages we have the study

2032
01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:52,090
going on in English in Spanish which is

2033
01:25:57,330 --> 01:25:54,729
we launched only about 45 days ago and

2034
01:26:00,569 --> 01:25:57,340
in French which has launched it on on

2035
01:26:02,009 --> 01:26:00,579
the first yesterday actually we launched

2036
01:26:05,429 --> 01:26:02,019
it we already have one response in

2037
01:26:07,379 --> 01:26:05,439
French this survey the facial survey is

2038
01:26:11,279 --> 01:26:07,389
being translated right now as we speak

2039
01:26:14,129 --> 01:26:11,289
into Portuguese Mandarin German and

2040
01:26:16,770 --> 01:26:14,139
Italian and we've we're looking for

2041
01:26:20,879 --> 01:26:16,780
other translators as well so maybe I

2042
01:26:22,949 --> 01:26:20,889
could right now tell people the best way

2043
01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:22,959
to check up what we're doing and to get

2044
01:26:29,969 --> 01:26:26,649
a hold of us is to go to a transitory

2045
01:26:36,359 --> 01:26:29,979
website that we have is experiencer dot

2046
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:36,369
org that's e x PE RI en ce er dot o-r-g

2047
01:26:41,489 --> 01:26:39,280
and there we would have a link to the

2048
01:26:44,659 --> 01:26:41,499
survey if you want to take the survey if

2049
01:26:47,159 --> 01:26:44,669
you're an experiencer it has a link to

2050
01:26:50,790 --> 01:26:47,169
our e-mail if you want to send the city

2051
01:26:51,930 --> 01:26:50,800
now and other types of links also a link

2052
01:26:54,780 --> 01:26:51,940
to donate

2053
01:26:56,370 --> 01:26:54,790
to our organization so now that we've

2054
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:56,380
given this background to show that

2055
01:27:00,510 --> 01:26:57,850
indeed is a multilingual

2056
01:27:03,810 --> 01:27:00,520
study just in English we've gotten

2057
01:27:07,620 --> 01:27:03,820
responses from the UK Canada Australia

2058
01:27:09,780 --> 01:27:07,630
the u.s. New Zealand and like half of

2059
01:27:11,729 --> 01:27:09,790
the countries in Europe have English

2060
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:11,739
speakers that that responded to our

2061
01:27:16,670 --> 01:27:13,930
survey so it really is it's uh it's

2062
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:16,680
going to be a national international

2063
01:27:23,130 --> 01:27:20,560
survey in multilingual as well so let me

2064
01:27:25,860 --> 01:27:23,140
go into some of the specifics now of of

2065
01:27:29,150 --> 01:27:25,870
our survey sure go right ahead okay

2066
01:27:32,189 --> 01:27:29,160
thank you for phase one as of July 1st

2067
01:27:34,740 --> 01:27:32,199
we've had one thousand two hundred and

2068
01:27:38,370 --> 01:27:34,750
thirty three individuals that have taken

2069
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:38,380
our phase one survey I checked this

2070
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:40,960
morning now we have seven more

2071
01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:44,890
individuals we have 1240 responses but

2072
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:46,780
let me go over some of this initial data

2073
01:27:51,930 --> 01:27:49,930
that we've got from phase one we've have

2074
01:27:56,030 --> 01:27:51,940
had 70 percent of the individuals that

2075
01:27:58,979 --> 01:27:56,040
took our survey have actually seen a UFO

2076
01:28:00,930 --> 01:27:58,989
most of these people 65 percent of those

2077
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:00,940
individuals that I've seen a UFO have

2078
01:28:07,740 --> 01:28:04,810
had witnesses out of those individuals

2079
01:28:13,340 --> 01:28:07,750
that have had that answered our our

2080
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:13,350
survey 57 percent have had telepathic

2081
01:28:29,939 --> 01:28:27,090
have had information on either advanced

2082
01:28:32,670 --> 01:28:29,949
physics or advanced science that they

2083
01:28:35,790 --> 01:28:32,680
have no knowledge of of how they

2084
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:35,800
acquired that information so it's 44

2085
01:28:43,470 --> 01:28:40,239
percent very large number also 989

2086
01:28:45,780 --> 01:28:43,480
individuals or 80 percent of those that

2087
01:28:50,060 --> 01:28:45,790
responded to phase 1 survey have had an

2088
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:50,070
out-of-body experience ok

2089
01:28:57,630 --> 01:28:53,530
roughly half 48% have physically seen in

2090
01:29:00,540 --> 01:28:57,640
an ET ok and there's other modalities of

2091
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:00,550
ET contact experiences as well but this

2092
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:02,370
is just physically seeing an ET you know

2093
01:29:11,820 --> 01:29:06,510
close by that's 48 percent

2094
01:29:17,550 --> 01:29:11,830
roughly 73% of those that actually saw

2095
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:17,560
any tea 416 individuals have interacted

2096
01:29:23,850 --> 01:29:21,520
with the et okay then some descriptions

2097
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:23,860
of these experiences are going to be

2098
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:26,050
very brief we asked them to describe

2099
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:27,520
their experiences again these are not

2100
01:29:32,660 --> 01:29:30,130
very good terminology but with a fixed

2101
01:29:35,250 --> 01:29:32,670
choice survey it's very difficult to

2102
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:35,260
undertake this with with our interviews

2103
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:37,210
we'll able to get more clarification but

2104
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:38,800
we asked them to describe their et

2105
01:29:45,290 --> 01:29:41,760
experience as either positive negative

2106
01:29:47,790 --> 01:29:45,300
both negative and positive and neutral

2107
01:29:49,230 --> 01:29:47,800
so let me start off with the lowest

2108
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:49,240
number okay

2109
01:29:56,220 --> 01:29:51,250
5% stated that it was a negative

2110
01:30:00,150 --> 01:29:56,230
experience or experiences 12% stated

2111
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:00,160
that it was neutral 17% it was both

2112
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:03,730
positive and negative but overwhelmingly

2113
01:30:09,570 --> 01:30:07,330
the largest number 66% said that these

2114
01:30:11,970 --> 01:30:09,580
et contact experiences have been

2115
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:11,980
positive now that's interesting because

2116
01:30:14,970 --> 01:30:13,450
yeah I hope you didn't read them and I

2117
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:14,980
want to ask you more about that because

2118
01:30:21,870 --> 01:30:18,850
I would think negative on the surface

2119
01:30:24,210 --> 01:30:21,880
because so many of these UFO abduction

2120
01:30:26,340 --> 01:30:24,220
experiences we hear about are pretty

2121
01:30:28,290 --> 01:30:26,350
pretty frightening encounters we got

2122
01:30:30,570 --> 01:30:28,300
more to talk about with Rey Hernandez

2123
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:30,580
obviously about this survey with Gina

2124
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:40,000
free from the shackles of Corporate

2125
01:30:48,610 --> 01:30:42,880
America we're the place for independent

2126
01:30:50,020 --> 01:30:48,620
thinkers first game attack of the rock

2127
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:50,030
codes and it was a critically acclaimed

2128
01:30:54,340 --> 01:30:52,490
success and now there is the coming of

2129
01:30:56,650 --> 01:30:54,350
the protectors a former military

2130
01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:56,660
intelligence man is contacted by a space

2131
01:31:01,480 --> 01:30:58,880
woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2132
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:01,490
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2133
01:31:04,060 --> 01:31:02,930
our distant planet are planning to

2134
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:04,070
conquer the earth

2135
01:31:08,860 --> 01:31:06,410
this is gripping science fiction of the

2136
01:31:10,930 --> 01:31:08,870
classic kind attack of the rock codes

2137
01:31:13,030 --> 01:31:10,940
and the coming of the protectors find

2138
01:31:17,470 --> 01:31:13,040
out more at rock odes calm that's

2139
01:31:19,150 --> 01:31:17,480
rockets our Ock oids dot-com so here's

2140
01:31:22,180 --> 01:31:19,160
what happened I was placing an order

2141
01:31:24,010 --> 01:31:22,190
online the site went down it took hours

2142
01:31:25,810 --> 01:31:24,020
before it returned but I'd already

2143
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2216
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cast the gold standard of paranormal

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01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:10,989
radio so we're talking about freeze

2218
01:35:16,709 --> 01:35:14,530
survey about people have had unusual

2219
01:35:18,899 --> 01:35:16,719
experiences and I want to ask you again

2220
01:35:21,870 --> 01:35:18,909
Rey Hernandez this is basically a random

2221
01:35:25,500 --> 01:35:21,880
poll it's available in anyone who has an

2222
01:35:29,640 --> 01:35:25,510
experience just signs up and fills out

2223
01:35:32,299 --> 01:35:29,650
the questions correct correct then we're

2224
01:35:35,310 --> 01:35:32,309
then going to be continue to scrutinize

2225
01:35:38,489 --> 01:35:35,320
these same people that took phase 1 the

2226
01:35:40,259 --> 01:35:38,499
phase 2 the ultimate scrutiny is the

2227
01:35:41,939 --> 01:35:40,269
one-on-one interview these are going to

2228
01:35:43,410 --> 01:35:41,949
be extensive one-on-one interviews not

2229
01:35:45,569 --> 01:35:43,420
done in one day these are gonna be done

2230
01:35:47,069 --> 01:35:45,579
over a series of days more or less to

2231
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:47,079
the point where you can then write like

2232
01:35:52,799 --> 01:35:49,449
a whole huge chapter on these

2233
01:35:54,149 --> 01:35:52,809
individuals if one wanted to so it's

2234
01:35:55,649 --> 01:35:54,159
gonna be immense scrutiny of these

2235
01:35:58,129 --> 01:35:55,659
individuals we're going to be doing a

2236
01:36:01,620 --> 01:35:58,139
psychological profile test to try to

2237
01:36:04,589 --> 01:36:01,630
weed out individuals with severe severe

2238
01:36:07,169 --> 01:36:04,599
mental illnesses but at this point these

2239
01:36:10,140 --> 01:36:07,179
are individuals first of all where we

2240
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:10,150
presented this information to we had

2241
01:36:14,459 --> 01:36:11,679
established a mailing list of

2242
01:36:16,799 --> 01:36:14,469
approximately I think was almost 2,000

2243
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:16,809
individuals that we had compiled from

2244
01:36:24,500 --> 01:36:20,320
from Kathleen Martin from Mary rod from

2245
01:36:26,819 --> 01:36:24,510
Barbara Lam Leo sprinkle numerous of

2246
01:36:29,850 --> 01:36:26,829
investigators in the field associated

2247
01:36:32,729 --> 01:36:29,860
with MUFON we also sent it out to all of

2248
01:36:34,830 --> 01:36:32,739
the MUFON directors assistant directors

2249
01:36:36,779 --> 01:36:34,840
state directors assistant state

2250
01:36:38,970 --> 01:36:36,789
directors and field investigators for

2251
01:36:43,649 --> 01:36:38,980
MUFON we also had sent it out to over

2252
01:36:48,569 --> 01:36:43,659
300 Facebook groups that dealt with

2253
01:36:51,810 --> 01:36:48,579
either ufology with ETS with with ghosts

2254
01:36:54,839 --> 01:36:51,820
and spirits the paranormal you name it

2255
01:36:57,240 --> 01:36:54,849
we'd like one year at the pair cast yes

2256
01:37:00,750 --> 01:36:57,250
we sent out

2257
01:37:02,580 --> 01:37:00,760
those invitations of describing what our

2258
01:37:04,680 --> 01:37:02,590
study was all about the details of our

2259
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:04,690
study that's being coordinated by all

2260
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:07,570
these academics and where is the link to

2261
01:37:13,500 --> 01:37:11,890
take the survey so that that is sort of

2262
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:13,510
like a brief background of how this

2263
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:15,610
thing was disseminated which was you

2264
01:37:20,850 --> 01:37:17,920
know disseminated to a huge number of

2265
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:20,860
potential individuals that might have

2266
01:37:27,330 --> 01:37:23,890
had et contact well we would definitely

2267
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:27,340
love to have a link to that survey here

2268
01:37:32,820 --> 01:37:29,650
at the para caste to help out a quick

2269
01:37:35,970 --> 01:37:32,830
question are you familiar with dr. Tyler

2270
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:35,980
Kok John and dr. Ellen tar and dr.

2271
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:38,290
Kimball Cooper's project core it's a

2272
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:40,890
similar type of effort with an extensive

2273
01:37:48,090 --> 01:37:44,290
survey that's given experiencers from

2274
01:37:50,940 --> 01:37:48,100
all levels of extra mundane experiences

2275
01:37:53,970 --> 01:37:50,950
not only ufo-related are you familiar

2276
01:37:56,010 --> 01:37:53,980
with that yes yes talking yes I'm

2277
01:37:59,130 --> 01:37:56,020
familiar with that your sounds a lot

2278
01:38:01,020 --> 01:37:59,140
more extensive and a lot more oh there's

2279
01:38:04,110 --> 01:38:01,030
a lot more detail in there for instance

2280
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:04,120
do you ask for blood type yes do

2281
01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:08,800
determine F Nissa T ancestry yes have

2282
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:10,210
you come up with any sort of correlation

2283
01:38:16,380 --> 01:38:11,970
between Native American and Irish

2284
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:16,390
hybrids we talked about ancestry but we

2285
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:18,010
haven't gotten into digging that

2286
01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:20,050
particular data up yet because that

2287
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:22,810
seems to come out be interesting to see

2288
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:25,360
the results yeah no no I mean our

2289
01:38:28,860 --> 01:38:27,130
studies and their studies is completely

2290
01:38:32,490 --> 01:38:28,870
different I mean we have a huge number

2291
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:32,500
we have multi phases plus we're doing

2292
01:38:37,470 --> 01:38:34,480
formal interviews at the end of it and

2293
01:38:40,620 --> 01:38:37,480
also the our questions is focused on

2294
01:38:42,660 --> 01:38:40,630
diversity of areas there's I think they

2295
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:42,670
only ask maybe less than 50 questions

2296
01:38:47,610 --> 01:38:45,730
well if I if I stand corrected are

2297
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:47,620
questioning already we have 600

2298
01:38:51,570 --> 01:38:49,210
questions right yeah it's a lot more

2299
01:38:53,610 --> 01:38:51,580
extensive yeah employment for phase

2300
01:38:56,100 --> 01:38:53,620
three is going to be close to another

2301
01:38:58,740 --> 01:38:56,110
400 questions and then in the open-ended

2302
01:39:01,530 --> 01:38:58,750
interviews we're gonna be asking them to

2303
01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:01,540
clarify each and every one of their

2304
01:39:06,270 --> 01:39:03,490
responses you know so for example they

2305
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:06,280
say was you know positive like in the

2306
01:39:10,970 --> 01:39:08,530
sixty six percent category you know why

2307
01:39:14,340 --> 01:39:10,980
was it positive if it was the four

2308
01:39:16,890 --> 01:39:14,350
soon to be the 5% category that said it

2309
01:39:18,330 --> 01:39:16,900
was negative you know why was it

2310
01:39:20,220 --> 01:39:18,340
negative give me the details you know

2311
01:39:22,500 --> 01:39:20,230
let me ask you a fast question that

2312
01:39:25,290 --> 01:39:22,510
cursed yes we listen to this what do you

2313
01:39:27,330 --> 01:39:25,300
have in your survey if anything to guard

2314
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:27,340
against hoaxers people who are just

2315
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:29,290
filling out surveys and saying nonsense

2316
01:39:36,810 --> 01:39:32,130
things okay no that question is is uh

2317
01:39:39,810 --> 01:39:36,820
asked a lot one is in order for you to

2318
01:39:42,440 --> 01:39:39,820
completely go through this whole process

2319
01:39:45,930 --> 01:39:42,450
is scrutinized process you're gonna be

2320
01:39:48,660 --> 01:39:45,940
working on this for at least at least in

2321
01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:48,670
terms of the surveys maybe six six hours

2322
01:39:53,610 --> 01:39:51,910
minimum just doing the surveys on top of

2323
01:39:56,730 --> 01:39:53,620
that you're gonna have multi days of

2324
01:39:59,250 --> 01:39:56,740
being interviewed and so my point is for

2325
01:40:01,680 --> 01:39:59,260
someone to be a hoaxer it must be

2326
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:01,690
someone who's really desperate to give

2327
01:40:05,330 --> 01:40:03,610
up so many hours of their time in so

2328
01:40:09,150 --> 01:40:05,340
many days then with a formal interview

2329
01:40:11,850 --> 01:40:09,160
to to go through this hoaxing process

2330
01:40:13,740 --> 01:40:11,860
plus in our questions we put a couple of

2331
01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:13,750
trick questions in there to deal with

2332
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:15,610
hoaxers secondly the people are going to

2333
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:17,650
be interviewing these individuals these

2334
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:18,880
are going to be individuals that work

2335
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:21,010
with experiencers for many many many

2336
01:40:25,890 --> 01:40:24,010
years that I've seen you know the good

2337
01:40:27,870 --> 01:40:25,900
the bad and ugly the abductions are not

2338
01:40:31,050 --> 01:40:27,880
abductions and they're gonna be

2339
01:40:32,220 --> 01:40:31,060
scrutinizing you so if you are there'd

2340
01:40:34,530 --> 01:40:32,230
better be someone who's a very good

2341
01:40:37,140 --> 01:40:34,540
hoaxer you know if you've got mary rod

2342
01:40:39,060 --> 01:40:37,150
wall kathleen martin or dr. leo sprinkle

2343
01:40:41,220 --> 01:40:39,070
scrutinizing you you know over a several

2344
01:40:44,430 --> 01:40:41,230
day period asking you questions believe

2345
01:40:45,660 --> 01:40:44,440
me if if you are a hoaxer there's gonna

2346
01:40:48,300 --> 01:40:45,670
be a good chance that we're gonna get

2347
01:40:52,350 --> 01:40:48,310
you well that's a good warning or maybe

2348
01:40:54,990 --> 01:40:52,360
it's just an invitation i don't know no

2349
01:40:57,180 --> 01:40:55,000
i mean it's it's it's with all of these

2350
01:40:59,820 --> 01:40:57,190
types of stuff statistical studies

2351
01:41:01,200 --> 01:40:59,830
there's always a certain sample that

2352
01:41:02,250 --> 01:41:01,210
you're gonna be getting people who are

2353
01:41:04,410 --> 01:41:02,260
just filling seeing out these

2354
01:41:05,820 --> 01:41:04,420
questionnaires just to mess with you you

2355
01:41:08,370 --> 01:41:05,830
know like for example are you gonna vote

2356
01:41:10,710 --> 01:41:08,380
Republican or Democrat you know someone

2357
01:41:12,900 --> 01:41:10,720
you know writes up a little phony answer

2358
01:41:14,190 --> 01:41:12,910
you know so always in these type of

2359
01:41:16,770 --> 01:41:14,200
statistical studies are going to get a

2360
01:41:19,380 --> 01:41:16,780
certain percent of these types of

2361
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:19,390
responses there's also a lot of

2362
01:41:24,500 --> 01:41:22,330
delusional people that may not be you

2363
01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:24,510
know I think textbook mentally

2364
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:26,280
but they may have a very active

2365
01:41:33,050 --> 01:41:28,770
imagination as well correct we're gonna

2366
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:33,060
have a subset questionnaire for that

2367
01:41:36,290 --> 01:41:35,010
category of individuals so that's being

2368
01:41:38,030 --> 01:41:36,300
addressed that was the purpose of

2369
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:38,040
yesterday's meeting which is gonna be

2370
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:41,040
the first of a series of meetings just

2371
01:41:45,530 --> 01:41:42,960
on that particular aspect of as a matter

2372
01:41:48,590 --> 01:41:45,540
of fact we've got dr. John clemo dr.

2373
01:41:50,030 --> 01:41:48,600
sprinkle and dr. Bob Davis that are

2374
01:41:53,090 --> 01:41:50,040
going to be coming back in a month and a

2375
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:53,100
half with a whole series of various a

2376
01:41:58,280 --> 01:41:56,370
battery tests that can be performed to

2377
01:42:00,560 --> 01:41:58,290
address that issue and then we're gonna

2378
01:42:02,750 --> 01:42:00,570
be narrowing down to okay let's let's

2379
01:42:05,870 --> 01:42:02,760
focus on this particular test this is

2380
01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:05,880
what we can administer so that question

2381
01:42:10,610 --> 01:42:08,490
is being hammered down as we speak

2382
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:10,620
yeah I really can't comment until

2383
01:42:16,990 --> 01:42:13,730
obviously I've had a chance to you know

2384
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:17,000
look at the at the very extensive

2385
01:42:24,710 --> 01:42:22,320
questionnaire but I would also kind of

2386
01:42:26,720 --> 01:42:24,720
caution against having too many Leo

2387
01:42:28,490 --> 01:42:26,730
sprinkle and Barbara lamb types who tend

2388
01:42:32,030 --> 01:42:28,500
to attract cases of benevolent space

2389
01:42:36,050 --> 01:42:32,040
brothers and try to include more of the

2390
01:42:39,620 --> 01:42:36,060
negative side of the equation with the

2391
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:39,630
David Jacobs and and people that are

2392
01:42:44,600 --> 01:42:41,370
carrying on the work of Budd Hopkins who

2393
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:44,610
tend to attract cases more cases of a

2394
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:46,290
negative type and tried to be as

2395
01:42:49,700 --> 01:42:47,610
balanced with it as possible

2396
01:42:51,890 --> 01:42:49,710
I mean Leo and Barbara I just love him

2397
01:42:54,530 --> 01:42:51,900
to pieces had you know gotten to know

2398
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:54,540
them fairly well over the years Leo was

2399
01:42:59,210 --> 01:42:56,010
very instrumental in early on in my

2400
01:43:02,720 --> 01:42:59,220
investigative process but they do have a

2401
01:43:05,570 --> 01:43:02,730
a slant to their to their cases they

2402
01:43:07,220 --> 01:43:05,580
they tend to attract more positive sort

2403
01:43:09,260 --> 01:43:07,230
of benevolent space brother type cases

2404
01:43:12,770 --> 01:43:09,270
as opposed to who they like I said a

2405
01:43:14,330 --> 01:43:12,780
David Jacobs or the Layton's I mean let

2406
01:43:17,300 --> 01:43:14,340
me address that we have Kathleen Martin

2407
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:17,310
who for many many years was a director

2408
01:43:21,410 --> 01:43:19,290
and still as the director of what was

2409
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:21,420
previously titled Mullins alien

2410
01:43:27,050 --> 01:43:24,090
abduction our research team and in that

2411
01:43:29,690 --> 01:43:27,060
team they have many individuals that see

2412
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:29,700
the full spectrum of positive and

2413
01:43:34,370 --> 01:43:31,650
negative including Denise toner who's

2414
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:34,380
also a member of our research team we

2415
01:43:38,730 --> 01:43:36,510
also have mary ellen guiley who has

2416
01:43:42,060 --> 01:43:38,740
written numerous books as you know

2417
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:42,070
on you know demand demonic or negative

2418
01:43:47,970 --> 01:43:45,370
aspects of this phenomenon yeah so we do

2419
01:43:51,810 --> 01:43:47,980
know can can you have to either end of

2420
01:43:53,820 --> 01:43:51,820
the equation very very well yeah so this

2421
01:43:56,820 --> 01:43:53,830
is not just a love and light group that

2422
01:43:59,640 --> 01:43:56,830
we've got here this is a group of mostly

2423
01:44:02,190 --> 01:43:59,650
scientists with hard core researchers in

2424
01:44:03,570 --> 01:44:02,200
this field that have seen everything you

2425
01:44:05,340 --> 01:44:03,580
know the positive and the negative yeah

2426
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:05,350
and that's that's a real plus believe me

2427
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:08,770
I applaud that the the ability to

2428
01:44:14,280 --> 01:44:10,810
attract the quality of talent believe me

2429
01:44:16,890 --> 01:44:14,290
and also I've sent numerous emails to to

2430
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:16,900
eval Ogrin we've asked her to come on

2431
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:20,050
board i've sent numerous emails to david

2432
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:25,090
jacobs as well to help us and and and

2433
01:44:29,250 --> 01:44:26,530
work with us

2434
01:44:31,860 --> 01:44:29,260
this person James Brantley who has had

2435
01:44:33,630 --> 01:44:31,870
published a lot of negative experiences

2436
01:44:36,360 --> 01:44:33,640
we've had communications with him as

2437
01:44:38,790 --> 01:44:36,370
well so as I said before this is not a

2438
01:44:41,130 --> 01:44:38,800
love and life love and light group here

2439
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:41,140
we just want to want to make sure you

2440
01:44:45,630 --> 01:44:42,970
covering all your bases I'm just a quick

2441
01:44:48,330 --> 01:44:45,640
question it has Jacobs acknowledged the

2442
01:44:52,140 --> 01:44:48,340
communication and as he was founded it

2443
01:44:54,900 --> 01:44:52,150
all no certainly it's good that you're

2444
01:44:56,670 --> 01:44:54,910
trying to strike a balance here and also

2445
01:44:59,790 --> 01:44:56,680
it's a looking at people's attitudes

2446
01:45:02,070 --> 01:44:59,800
that merely having an experience of this

2447
01:45:04,190 --> 01:45:02,080
nature may be thought of as being

2448
01:45:06,750 --> 01:45:04,200
positive puts you in a special place

2449
01:45:09,720 --> 01:45:06,760
because once again with UFO abductions

2450
01:45:11,670 --> 01:45:09,730
so much of it seems to me at least to be

2451
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:11,680
extremely negative and we can go into

2452
01:45:16,140 --> 01:45:13,210
that our next segment without a lot more

2453
01:45:20,690 --> 01:45:16,150
to cover with gene and Chris our guest

2454
01:45:26,950 --> 01:45:20,700
is Ray Hernandez you're in the broadcast

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not just an alternative to the

2456
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C n attack of the rock oeid has been

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2466
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2510
01:48:04,810 --> 01:48:02,000
here's Jane Steinberg with G and Chris

2511
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:04,820
we have ray Hernandez who's associated

2512
01:48:13,090 --> 01:48:09,130
with an organization that is involved in

2513
01:48:17,830 --> 01:48:13,100
experiencer research okay called free

2514
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:17,840
but free being not of course this is

2515
01:48:23,500 --> 01:48:20,080
free but it's an organization that

2516
01:48:26,410 --> 01:48:23,510
stands for foundation for research into

2517
01:48:28,030 --> 01:48:26,420
extraterrestrial encounters I think

2518
01:48:29,530 --> 01:48:28,040
though when you look at the name of the

2519
01:48:32,050 --> 01:48:29,540
organization I'm gonna be a nitpicker

2520
01:48:34,209 --> 01:48:32,060
here that's kind of prejudging a result

2521
01:48:37,450 --> 01:48:34,219
here as you say you're focusing on a lot

2522
01:48:39,310 --> 01:48:37,460
more than presumed et contact but don't

2523
01:48:42,939 --> 01:48:39,320
you think that maybe the name itself

2524
01:48:45,580 --> 01:48:42,949
ought to be possibly altered to reflect

2525
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:45,590
that we could have the foundation for

2526
01:48:51,070 --> 01:48:48,050
research into non inter inter actions

2527
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:51,080
with no no no keep it free and this is

2528
01:48:57,250 --> 01:48:54,290
extraordinary well we have the name free

2529
01:48:59,890 --> 01:48:57,260
but what we're doing and we are

2530
01:49:01,689 --> 01:48:59,900
redefining what et is that's the

2531
01:49:03,220 --> 01:49:01,699
approach that we're taking because for a

2532
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:03,230
lot of people you know it's very

2533
01:49:08,200 --> 01:49:05,930
difficult for them to conceive of this

2534
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:08,210
whole arena of all this contact

2535
01:49:12,729 --> 01:49:10,730
experiences being interrelated so what

2536
01:49:14,500 --> 01:49:12,739
we're seeing this is a long-term whole

2537
01:49:17,620 --> 01:49:14,510
all these terminologies have been

2538
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:17,630
defined for us I think you know getting

2539
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:19,610
down to the bare basic you know

2540
01:49:24,670 --> 01:49:21,890
rudimentary elements of a project I

2541
01:49:27,540 --> 01:49:24,680
think it's really crucial to come up

2542
01:49:30,820 --> 01:49:27,550
with a name that doesn't appear to be

2543
01:49:34,540 --> 01:49:30,830
prejudiced or or less as Jean would say

2544
01:49:38,200 --> 01:49:34,550
pre pre supposed to prejudge the the

2545
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:38,210
results of the study the et as I said

2546
01:49:43,630 --> 01:49:40,610
before the et term extraterrestrial has

2547
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:43,640
a tremendous a lot of load of baggage

2548
01:49:48,270 --> 01:49:46,010
and the media has been pounding us over

2549
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:48,280
the head with a lot of disinformation

2550
01:49:52,660 --> 01:49:50,330
relating to this subject and you're

2551
01:49:55,540 --> 01:49:52,670
playing into that whole paradigm by

2552
01:49:57,669 --> 01:49:55,550
using that term I just you know I can't

2553
01:49:57,939 --> 01:49:57,679
I know Edgar is really attached to it

2554
01:50:00,009 --> 01:49:57,949
and

2555
01:50:03,069 --> 01:50:00,019
I know a lot of people are but then a

2556
01:50:07,029 --> 01:50:03,079
growing number of people are attempting

2557
01:50:09,069 --> 01:50:07,039
to be more pragmatic about the whole

2558
01:50:11,770 --> 01:50:09,079
thing and and come up with with terms

2559
01:50:13,509 --> 01:50:11,780
that aren't so knee jerk and it's just

2560
01:50:15,459 --> 01:50:13,519
you know it's a suggestion on our part

2561
01:50:18,489 --> 01:50:15,469
but you're obviously gonna do what you

2562
01:50:20,529 --> 01:50:18,499
feel you need to do but I think just by

2563
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:20,539
using the word extraterrestrial you're

2564
01:50:26,469 --> 01:50:23,209
going to skew your results by attracting

2565
01:50:27,819 --> 01:50:26,479
the type of survey takers that will skew

2566
01:50:29,709 --> 01:50:27,829
the results towards the

2567
01:50:32,109 --> 01:50:29,719
extra-terrestrial hypothesis because

2568
01:50:34,089 --> 01:50:32,119
you're couching it in the location in

2569
01:50:35,979 --> 01:50:34,099
that languaging okay I respectfully

2570
01:50:37,569 --> 01:50:35,989
disagree and the reason is because you

2571
01:50:39,969 --> 01:50:37,579
don't fully understand how we're

2572
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:39,979
terminating this in the introductory

2573
01:50:44,799 --> 01:50:41,690
document that we're circulating to

2574
01:50:47,770 --> 01:50:44,809
everyone we are defining what et means

2575
01:50:49,660 --> 01:50:47,780
so we state ET and then we're focusing

2576
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:49,670
on ufo-related

2577
01:50:55,060 --> 01:50:52,010
contact with non-human intelligent

2578
01:50:57,969 --> 01:50:55,070
beings and what we would hurt then to

2579
01:51:02,319 --> 01:50:57,979
change the word extraterrestrial to

2580
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:02,329
extraordinary I'll bring that up to the

2581
01:51:06,609 --> 01:51:04,729
full group well it makes no sense

2582
01:51:08,259 --> 01:51:06,619
because you're what you're doing is when

2583
01:51:09,790 --> 01:51:08,269
you're going into a haunted haunted site

2584
01:51:12,459 --> 01:51:09,800
and you have an experience with a

2585
01:51:14,199 --> 01:51:12,469
disembodied being that doesn't fall

2586
01:51:16,779 --> 01:51:14,209
under the purview of something

2587
01:51:18,580 --> 01:51:16,789
extraterrestrial I mean to me it's it's

2588
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:18,590
it's closed system where we're dealing

2589
01:51:22,989 --> 01:51:20,690
with something that is you know more

2590
01:51:25,660 --> 01:51:22,999
than likely stuck in a place rosemary

2591
01:51:27,339 --> 01:51:25,670
I'm sure will have all sorts of input

2592
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:27,349
when it comes to the subject of the jinn

2593
01:51:32,379 --> 01:51:29,690
which tend to be you know fairly

2594
01:51:32,859 --> 01:51:32,389
location specific here and on this

2595
01:51:35,379 --> 01:51:32,869
planet

2596
01:51:37,870 --> 01:51:35,389
some of them are very ancient according

2597
01:51:40,540 --> 01:51:37,880
to the traditional lore you know I think

2598
01:51:43,290 --> 01:51:40,550
it's again you're opening yourself up

2599
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:43,300
number one for academic and scientific

2600
01:51:49,390 --> 01:51:46,880
dismissal by using that term if you come

2601
01:51:51,370 --> 01:51:49,400
up with something a little bit more I

2602
01:51:53,979 --> 01:51:51,380
don't want to say this but a little bit

2603
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:53,989
more accurate I think you're going to

2604
01:51:59,739 --> 01:51:56,690
number one you're gonna not poison the

2605
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:59,749
waters in terms of academia let me

2606
01:52:03,279 --> 01:52:00,800
address this one because I think there's

2607
01:52:06,429 --> 01:52:03,289
a confusion here this study that we're

2608
01:52:09,219 --> 01:52:06,439
doing is not on any studying any type of

2609
01:52:11,140 --> 01:52:09,229
anomalous contact experiences that's not

2610
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:11,150
our focus our focus is not going to look

2611
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:11,690
at the gee

2612
01:52:18,540 --> 01:52:14,690
or ghosts or spirits No okay the focus

2613
01:52:20,890 --> 01:52:18,550
of this study is to focus on ufo-related

2614
01:52:24,070 --> 01:52:20,900
contact experiences the individuals that

2615
01:52:26,620 --> 01:52:24,080
have seen a UFO or have seen a nonhuman

2616
01:52:29,140 --> 01:52:26,630
intelligent being that's been associated

2617
01:52:33,240 --> 01:52:29,150
in the past with UFO contact

2618
01:52:35,140 --> 01:52:33,250
yes still though when you label them

2619
01:52:36,250 --> 01:52:35,150
extraterrestrial and maybe you believe

2620
01:52:37,930 --> 01:52:36,260
that maybe a lot of the people

2621
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:37,940
associated with the organization feel

2622
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:40,370
the extra-terrestrial solution is the

2623
01:52:45,250 --> 01:52:42,890
right one and I respect that but if

2624
01:52:48,250 --> 01:52:45,260
you're going to prejudge a conclusion

2625
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:48,260
which is what that title does I think

2626
01:52:52,510 --> 01:52:51,050
it's going to also prejudge the kind of

2627
01:52:54,490 --> 01:52:52,520
people you were tracked to get these

2628
01:52:55,689 --> 01:52:54,500
questionnaires gene what do you mean by

2629
01:52:58,270 --> 01:52:55,699
extraterrestrial what's your definition

2630
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:58,280
of it I think the common definition of

2631
01:53:05,250 --> 01:53:01,520
extraterrestrial is from a planet

2632
01:53:08,260 --> 01:53:05,260
outside of our own okay we clearly

2633
01:53:11,010 --> 01:53:08,270
stated in all of our documents that

2634
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:11,020
almost all of the members of our

2635
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:12,650
advisory board

2636
01:53:18,370 --> 01:53:15,650
assuming board of directors have a a

2637
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:18,380
hypothesis that they're not a

2638
01:53:23,110 --> 01:53:21,410
quote-unquote from a physical planet or

2639
01:53:26,110 --> 01:53:23,120
a physical galaxy that there are

2640
01:53:28,420 --> 01:53:26,120
multi-dimensional well why why why a dot

2641
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:28,430
adopt all the baggage around the term I

2642
01:53:32,650 --> 01:53:30,890
don't understand well I know you're

2643
01:53:35,260 --> 01:53:32,660
trying to redefine the term

2644
01:53:37,300 --> 01:53:35,270
but that's like the little boy with this

2645
01:53:39,490 --> 01:53:37,310
his finger in the dike I mean that's

2646
01:53:42,850 --> 01:53:39,500
like trying to to stand there with a

2647
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:42,860
with a two-by-four break Hoover Dam and

2648
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:44,719
keep Lake Mead from draining down into

2649
01:53:48,910 --> 01:53:46,610
the Gulf of California it just to me it

2650
01:53:51,689 --> 01:53:48,920
doesn't there's something wrong with

2651
01:53:53,890 --> 01:53:51,699
that approach okay well now that you

2652
01:53:56,590 --> 01:53:53,900
understand there are approaches that

2653
01:53:58,270 --> 01:53:56,600
indeed it is multi-dimensional secondly

2654
01:53:59,740 --> 01:53:58,280
you understand that approaches you have

2655
01:54:02,320 --> 01:53:59,750
fall related not just any type of

2656
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:02,330
anomalous paranormal contact so we have

2657
01:54:07,540 --> 01:54:05,840
a clear focus of demarcation in your

2658
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:07,550
experience that you describe to us in

2659
01:54:12,340 --> 01:54:09,290
the living room I would not describe

2660
01:54:14,590 --> 01:54:12,350
that as a UFO experience it was a flying

2661
01:54:17,410 --> 01:54:14,600
object it was hovering in your room but

2662
01:54:18,970 --> 01:54:17,420
you understand my point here there are a

2663
01:54:20,380 --> 01:54:18,980
lot of experiences that will fall

2664
01:54:22,840 --> 01:54:20,390
through the cracks if you if you put

2665
01:54:25,060 --> 01:54:22,850
blinders on to you too tightly I I will

2666
01:54:25,450 --> 01:54:25,070
raise that terminology issue and I'll

2667
01:54:29,370 --> 01:54:25,460
bring it

2668
01:54:32,380 --> 01:54:29,380
for to the board members for discussion

2669
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:32,390
just that that term does have a lot of

2670
01:54:36,340 --> 01:54:34,010
baggage to it both Jean and I have been

2671
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involved in this in this whole realm of

2672
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investigation and research for decades

2673
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and you know trust us when we say that

2674
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if you're gonna be doing a study that

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has the word extraterrestrial in it you

2676
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know I would really look at the results

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with a grain of salt because you are

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attracting you're attracting the kind of

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true believers that are really have been

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programmed by the culture and by all the

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baggage surrounding that term have been

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programmed to believe that what they're

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experiencing is something off planet

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they automatically assume that and I

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understand what the thousand question

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three part you know survey and and and

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face-to-face meetings with with you know

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academic professionals and scientists

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you're going to be able to determine you

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know a lot of things however you can

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save yourself a lot of grief in time by

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just not buying into that particular

2693
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baggage Laden term it's you know we

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don't want to you know we've spent too

2695
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long better you know beating this this

2696
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particular horse to death here but they

2697
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understood will continue onwards you

2698
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know we do have a few questions here you

2699
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you can clarify one thing Christopher oh

2700
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sure go ahead one thing that you

2701
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mentioned and again people that I've

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been in the field researching this

2703
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people that are members of our group

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that I've been working with thousands of

2705
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experiences over the years they

2706
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understand that the abduction phenomenon

2707
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is a small component of the UFO related

2708
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a contact phenomenon and our study

2709
01:56:21,220 --> 01:56:19,400
demonstrates that the individuals that

2710
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have self-reported that they have been

2711
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abducted have only been thirty percent

2712
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of the individuals that have had contact

2713
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have you a full related contact so

2714
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that's a right III personally fall into

2715
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that other group that had a neutral

2716
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encounter that did not feature any of

2717
01:56:42,290 --> 01:56:39,390
you

2718
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classic abduction type scenarios direct

2719
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just to kind of alert you in terms of my

2720
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own personal history yeah but but when

2721
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you hear you know what's on the internet

2722
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what's being circulated all around

2723
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there's there's numerous assumptions out

2724
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there that this contact phenomenon

2725
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ufo-related contact phenomenon is

2726
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primarily an abduction phenomenon and so

2727
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we get the contrary from the actual

2728
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researchers out on this field that I've

2729
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been working for many many years with

2730
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experiences and the actual data now

2731
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:14,220
corroborates that that hypothesis we'll

2732
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get into much more of this we have more

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questions from our listeners coming up

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we're talking to Ray Hernandez with an

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telling him what we think about the name

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but then we never stop from asking we're

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making provocative comments Jean and

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power cast com we're talking to Rey

2861
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Hernandez about an organization called

2862
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free about the questionnaire about their

2863
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work about the expansion of their study

2864
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from pure UFOs to other experiences now

2865
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I want to ask you maybe a core question

2866
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it kind of moves us away from it as you

2867
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know we do this show heavily dependent

2868
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on Microsoft's Skype and I don't know

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whether it's the new version or what but

2870
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during the show during crucial points

2871
02:03:37,280 --> 02:03:34,230
Chris has been caught off three times

2872
02:03:37,550 --> 02:03:37,290
maybe it's et doing it for us I don't

2873
02:03:39,860 --> 02:03:37,560
know

2874
02:03:42,410 --> 02:03:39,870
we have Rey Hernandez with free we're

2875
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talking about their surveys of

2876
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experiences to find out what happened to

2877
02:03:50,189 --> 02:03:47,730
them the fact that they've expanded a

2878
02:03:53,430 --> 02:03:50,199
focus from so-called abductions or you

2879
02:03:55,080 --> 02:03:53,440
folk context to encompass a wide range

2880
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of studies let me ask you a fast

2881
02:03:59,790 --> 02:03:57,849
personal question ray deal it all feel

2882
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that all these different encounters

2883
02:04:06,259 --> 02:04:02,170
which are normally placed in separate

2884
02:04:10,199 --> 02:04:06,269
categories may have a single cause yes

2885
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yes all of our board members have that

2886
02:04:17,160 --> 02:04:13,389
hypotheses and it starts with the

2887
02:04:20,009 --> 02:04:17,170
advanced physics of the quantum hologram

2888
02:04:21,870 --> 02:04:20,019
theory of physics developed by dr. Edgar

2889
02:04:25,319 --> 02:04:21,880
Mitchell more than thirty years ago and

2890
02:04:27,979 --> 02:04:25,329
and dr. rudy shields and also supported

2891
02:04:29,669 --> 02:04:27,989
by a group of five other physicists

2892
02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:29,679
associated with free they're all

2893
02:04:35,430 --> 02:04:32,050
adherents to the quantum hologram theory

2894
02:04:37,649 --> 02:04:35,440
of physics and which be can begin to

2895
02:04:40,319 --> 02:04:37,659
explain how all of these contact

2896
02:04:43,859 --> 02:04:40,329
modalities are all interrelated and that

2897
02:04:46,109 --> 02:04:43,869
they are all multi-dimensional well you

2898
02:04:48,209 --> 02:04:46,119
know your your mitts in your mixing I

2899
02:04:51,089 --> 02:04:48,219
think theories here first of all the

2900
02:04:54,120 --> 02:04:51,099
holographic universe theory at least in

2901
02:04:56,399 --> 02:04:54,130
my estimation for a layperson was best

2902
02:04:58,799 --> 02:04:56,409
laid out by Michael Talbot in his book

2903
02:05:01,199 --> 02:04:58,809
the holographic universe but you know

2904
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you're also kind of bringing in the

2905
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multi world so the multiple worlds

2906
02:05:07,770 --> 02:05:05,889
scenario a multiple dimensional type

2907
02:05:09,810 --> 02:05:07,780
theory on this obviously I'm not a

2908
02:05:12,540 --> 02:05:09,820
physicist so I can't go into the

2909
02:05:14,609 --> 02:05:12,550
mathematics and the nuts and bolts of

2910
02:05:17,370 --> 02:05:14,619
how these theories have been arrived at

2911
02:05:19,529 --> 02:05:17,380
in how potentially valid they are but to

2912
02:05:22,290 --> 02:05:19,539
throw out just a generic term like

2913
02:05:24,359 --> 02:05:22,300
quantum hologram or a quantum

2914
02:05:26,669 --> 02:05:24,369
holographic I think for a lot of our

2915
02:05:28,319 --> 02:05:26,679
listeners they're gonna be rolling their

2916
02:05:30,959 --> 02:05:28,329
eyes going well that sounds like a lot

2917
02:05:32,489 --> 02:05:30,969
of pseudoscience and in pop culture

2918
02:05:34,620 --> 02:05:32,499
cut to the chase or the cliff notes

2919
02:05:37,649 --> 02:05:34,630
versions of something highly complex

2920
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:37,659
that really doesn't have a a body of

2921
02:05:43,799 --> 02:05:41,050
literature to support how that

2922
02:05:46,319 --> 02:05:43,809
particular theory could explain the

2923
02:05:47,759 --> 02:05:46,329
bewildering types of encounters that

2924
02:05:50,279 --> 02:05:47,769
people have had including yourself and

2925
02:05:52,439 --> 02:05:50,289
including me you know it sounds great in

2926
02:05:55,890 --> 02:05:52,449
theory but you know where the rubber

2927
02:05:57,719 --> 02:05:55,900
meets the road is a lot of theoretical

2928
02:06:00,029 --> 02:05:57,729
physics and in a lot of mathematics and

2929
02:06:02,339 --> 02:06:00,039
and it doesn't really at this point in

2930
02:06:03,990 --> 02:06:02,349
my limited understanding of the field

2931
02:06:06,860 --> 02:06:04,000
it doesn't really

2932
02:06:10,050 --> 02:06:06,870
close to giving any sort of rational

2933
02:06:13,380 --> 02:06:10,060
connecting points to explain all these

2934
02:06:15,360 --> 02:06:13,390
types of bewildering encounters you know

2935
02:06:18,450 --> 02:06:15,370
you say negative Mitchell came up with a

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quantum holographic theory I let me

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clarify some of these points here first

2938
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of all I could send you a couple of

2939
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papers written by our physicists one by

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dr. several by dr. Edgar Mitchell

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several by dr. Rudy shields one is the

2942
02:06:35,700 --> 02:06:31,600
Sir Roger Penrose who continued the work

2943
02:06:37,890 --> 02:06:35,710
of dr. David Bohm who is one of the

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prime physicists that Michael Talbots

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book was based on those links because

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our listeners will just gobble this

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stuff up I'm telling you right now

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that's really important for you to uh to

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go ahead and shoot that information off

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to us so we can share it with our with

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our listeners around the world and and

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come up with you know hopefully you're

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gonna be interested in possibly

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interacting with some of our listeners

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we have some people on our forums that

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are way smarter than me and I'd love to

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be able to have you know them be a

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wonderful asset for your team and and

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and they could supply all sorts of

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creative thinking and ask really really

2961
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well qualified questions okay dr. Edgar

2962
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Mitchell worked very closely with

2963
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various physicists in the early starting

2964
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in the early 70s and he worked very

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closely with dr. Walter Shemp who's a

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physicist and a mathematician of Germany

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who was one of the early pioneers on the

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MRI technology and it was based off his

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physics work in mathematics work on how

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the hologram the holographic principles

2971
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physics principles that he and Edgar

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Walter Shem and about five or six other

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physicists that were member of this

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group called the contract group you can

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look it up under dr. Edgar Mitchell in

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contract and they were working on this

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quantum hologram theory of physics which

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can explains our multi-dimensional

2979
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reality and then Edgar Rudy and several

2980
02:08:19,420 --> 02:08:17,810
other physicists then began a series of

2981
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of articles that they've published on

2982
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this principle again edgar repeats and

2983
02:08:26,770 --> 02:08:23,660
rudi repeats numerous times that these

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are just hypotheses it's just like

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string theories just for your own

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information it's definitely the

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direction that I've been leaning for

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years now and I think a lot of our

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listeners realize that this is

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infinitely more complicated than a

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simple knee-jerk extraterrestrial

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explanation that's why we've been sort

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of making an issue out of the word in in

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your actual groups name well again

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you're not privy to all the definitional

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aspects of the terminology that we're

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using because we always turn the TV on

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to know what what the 99% of the

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again with you because you've made your

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case well I do know I mentioned we have

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some pretty bright people on our forums

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at forum dr. Peric ascom where our

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listeners are able to ask very good

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questions so for the for the better part

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in the most part of our guests here at

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the pear cast this one comes from you

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know he would have to fall up in the top

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three of our posters in terms of my

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personal poll of favorite posters bern

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state he's been a long-time poster since

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right around the time you had your first

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experience in 2012 and his his first

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question is we've kind of covered this a

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little bit i'm gonna ask it anyway how

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do we account for the many different

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kinds of contact from so many different

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entities over the course of contact the

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history why are there so many different

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conflicting messages from such a variety

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of entities and identities why are they

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not sending their messages in a more

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overt and obvious manner like posting

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their ideas up on twitter in a constant

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barrage of verifiable science instead of

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relying on random telepathic exchanges

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and I would add trickery tricks tourism

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will get to have Ray's answer in our

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are you doing over there on your

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computer I'm shopping for a new wallet

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mine is falling apart hey did you know

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that makes yielded wallets to prevent

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electronic pickpocketing well I didn't

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realize there was such a thing as

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electronic pickpocketing what is that

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well apparently many of the new credit

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and debit cards being issued have radio

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readers when we pay unfortunately a bad

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guy can also get one of these readers

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and go around the city scanning people

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collecting their credit card numbers and

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it wow that sounds scary

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since you're getting a new wallet anyway

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you should definitely get an ID

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expensive no in fact I can get a

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less than regular unshielded wallets

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from other stores sounds great my wallet

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isn't falling apart yet but let me pick

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these wallets ID stronghold calm

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think is just mistaken so I bet if I if

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I kind of narrow it down yeah I do we

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have you know your your personal opinion

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I mean you're an experiencer of some

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pretty interesting almost and alone

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experiences your your descriptions of

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your encounters have been are not even

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your normal sort of stock-in-trade

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sort of experiences why do you think

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there's so much trickery and this weird

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almost non sequitur or nonsensical

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element to a lot of these contact the

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accounts and and in some cases abductee

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accounts there always seems to be some

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sort of element that just makes you

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scratch your head and go home what's up

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with that do you think that that's some

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sort of Pavlovian sort of uh you know

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throw in the odd just totally out of the

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blue left field type element that you

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know the Skinner and others in

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techniques would employ why would we not

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see something more overt and in in

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something that didn't have these weird

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sort of trickster ish non non sequitur

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moments well I've personally thought

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about those issues a lot and again I

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could only come up with a whole bunch of

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possible hypotheses

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that might try to bring some explanation

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to all of this

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I'm Cuban and Cuban a lot of Cubans

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practice as Santeria

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which is based upon Yoruba spiritual

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correct that is one of the deities there

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and one of these spirit entities is

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called alig WA and leg wise known as the

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trickster right and Allegra is known as

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someone that opens up the various

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pathways that you get to choose okay and

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his goal is basically is to to redefine

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who you are to lead you through these

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experiences and it's sort of like

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nature of our reality because in the the

3201
02:17:52,340 --> 02:17:48,900
religion the Santeria religion it goes

3202
02:17:55,160 --> 02:17:52,350
through a lot of our experiences in our

3203
02:17:58,610 --> 02:17:55,170
reality is being dualistic that in order

3204
02:18:01,190 --> 02:17:58,620
for you to to purify your soul that you

3205
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:01,200
have to have some negative experiences

3206
02:18:05,450 --> 02:18:04,170
you have to know what they are in order

3207
02:18:06,350 --> 02:18:05,460
for you to learn from them to make

3208
02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:06,360
mistakes

3209
02:18:11,270 --> 02:18:08,970
so what Allegra does is that he opens up

3210
02:18:14,180 --> 02:18:11,280
these different pathways that you might

3211
02:18:16,791 --> 02:18:14,190
be able to choose for you to blunder in

3212
02:18:20,300 --> 02:18:16,801
these various pathways you know and try

3213
02:18:23,690 --> 02:18:20,310
to learn from your mistakes and so a lot

3214
02:18:27,410 --> 02:18:23,700
of these similar tricksters types of our

3215
02:18:29,260 --> 02:18:27,420
responses that I've learned about and

3216
02:18:31,910 --> 02:18:29,270
I've learned from other experiences

3217
02:18:35,150 --> 02:18:31,920
experiences and there are many

3218
02:18:37,850 --> 02:18:35,160
traditions that are out there folkloric

3219
02:18:41,060 --> 02:18:37,860
and spiritual traditions all around the

3220
02:18:44,060 --> 02:18:41,070
world that have this same concept and in

3221
02:18:47,600 --> 02:18:44,070
a number of them share which will blood

3222
02:18:50,871 --> 02:18:47,610
sacrifice with the the particularly

3223
02:18:52,280 --> 02:18:50,881
Santeria in particular which is a whole

3224
02:18:54,530 --> 02:18:52,290
other issue that we don't need to get

3225
02:18:56,090 --> 02:18:54,540
into will talk maybe about that on your

3226
02:18:58,360 --> 02:18:56,100
next appearance on the parrot cast but

3227
02:19:02,350 --> 02:18:58,370
but yeah the orishas and

3228
02:19:05,350 --> 02:19:02,360
and that whole system of belief is I

3229
02:19:09,310 --> 02:19:05,360
think little known in this country but I

3230
02:19:11,680 --> 02:19:09,320
think if people knew that there are a

3231
02:19:13,690 --> 02:19:11,690
million practitioners at least back in

3232
02:19:16,991 --> 02:19:13,700
the 90s there were at least a million

3233
02:19:19,110 --> 02:19:17,001
practitioners of Santeria who do ritual

3234
02:19:22,930 --> 02:19:19,120
blood sacrifice of small animals

3235
02:19:25,781 --> 02:19:22,940
chickens birds fowl in other small

3236
02:19:28,420 --> 02:19:25,791
animals they would be horrified to learn

3237
02:19:30,610 --> 02:19:28,430
that animals were slaughtered for

3238
02:19:32,260 --> 02:19:30,620
religious purposes in this country and

3239
02:19:34,661 --> 02:19:32,270
it's it's a protected by the

3240
02:19:38,320 --> 02:19:34,671
Constitution or protected religious

3241
02:19:41,081 --> 02:19:38,330
right yeah I mean I was referring to

3242
02:19:43,480 --> 02:19:41,091
specifically to Ella Gua how he's

3243
02:19:45,581 --> 02:19:43,490
someone who puts you in a situation to

3244
02:19:49,031 --> 02:19:45,591
stumble and to learn from your

3245
02:19:52,001 --> 02:19:49,041
experiences so you to be continued your

3246
02:19:55,930 --> 02:19:52,011
spirit to continue to be awakened and

3247
02:19:58,331 --> 02:19:55,940
cleansed so that was a possible response

3248
02:20:00,011 --> 02:19:58,341
to that question of this gentleman I'd

3249
02:20:03,671 --> 02:20:00,021
probably have a close personal

3250
02:20:05,940 --> 02:20:03,681
relationship of the leg but I wrote a

3251
02:20:08,831 --> 02:20:05,950
whole book on about the trickster

3252
02:20:12,070 --> 02:20:08,841
archetype here's another question from

3253
02:20:13,930 --> 02:20:12,080
burn State a good one and he's asking

3254
02:20:17,890 --> 02:20:13,940
the question is if you've already kind

3255
02:20:20,171 --> 02:20:17,900
of crunched all the data here but he

3256
02:20:21,631 --> 02:20:20,181
would really like to know if there is

3257
02:20:23,501 --> 02:20:21,641
anything that the contact these

3258
02:20:25,690 --> 02:20:23,511
themselves have in common with each

3259
02:20:27,881 --> 02:20:25,700
other that would help explain why these

3260
02:20:30,400 --> 02:20:27,891
specific people are being repeatedly

3261
02:20:33,850 --> 02:20:30,410
contacted and I'm sure that's that's one

3262
02:20:35,831 --> 02:20:33,860
of the you know aims of the study is to

3263
02:20:39,451 --> 02:20:35,841
find out if there is commonality if

3264
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:39,461
there is some demonstrable indicator

3265
02:20:44,650 --> 02:20:42,650
personality type ethnic type you know

3266
02:20:46,810 --> 02:20:44,660
ancestry thai blood type you know you're

3267
02:20:49,091 --> 02:20:46,820
you're looking at this to determine I

3268
02:20:52,871 --> 02:20:49,101
would I would assume and what makes

3269
02:20:54,461 --> 02:20:52,881
certain people susceptible to have these

3270
02:20:56,621 --> 02:20:54,471
experiences like yourself and your wife

3271
02:20:58,091 --> 02:20:56,631
for instance yeah no no that's that's

3272
02:21:00,940 --> 02:20:58,101
the ultimate question that's one of the

3273
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:00,950
ultimate questions and and again we're

3274
02:21:05,560 --> 02:21:02,570
nowhere near that we're right now which

3275
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:05,570
is the process of accumulating data but

3276
02:21:11,131 --> 02:21:07,610
we do have you know the statistical

3277
02:21:12,490 --> 02:21:11,141
support we have these academics these

3278
02:21:14,410 --> 02:21:12,500
scientists involve

3279
02:21:17,710 --> 02:21:14,420
than this and we're gonna continue to

3280
02:21:19,570 --> 02:21:17,720
keep on asking questions and and in our

3281
02:21:21,550 --> 02:21:19,580
interviews keep plugging away at this so

3282
02:21:22,630 --> 02:21:21,560
that's a very fundamental question but

3283
02:21:25,090 --> 02:21:22,640
we're not there

3284
02:21:27,370 --> 02:21:25,100
one common commonality that I would like

3285
02:21:29,349 --> 02:21:27,380
to be able to bring forth to that's

3286
02:21:32,440 --> 02:21:29,359
prevalent in our phase two questionnaire

3287
02:21:33,969 --> 02:21:32,450
is that we've had 28 percent of the

3288
02:21:35,950 --> 02:21:33,979
individuals that have taken the phase 2

3289
02:21:39,160 --> 02:21:35,960
questionnaire have had a near-death

3290
02:21:44,469 --> 02:21:39,170
experience and most of these near-death

3291
02:21:47,340 --> 02:21:44,479
experiences were open up the doors so to

3292
02:21:50,349 --> 02:21:47,350
speak to a lot of these contact

3293
02:21:51,820 --> 02:21:50,359
experiences and that's a very large

3294
02:21:54,940 --> 02:21:51,830
number you know almost 3 out of 10

3295
02:21:56,710 --> 02:21:54,950
people having NDEs another arena that I

3296
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:56,720
already spoke about near-death

3297
02:22:01,179 --> 02:21:58,880
experiences are roughly 3 out of 10 of

3298
02:22:04,990 --> 02:22:01,189
the individuals that completed phase 2

3299
02:22:09,400 --> 02:22:05,000
had both ufo-related contact and a

3300
02:22:12,070 --> 02:22:09,410
near-death experience another 38% of

3301
02:22:17,440 --> 02:22:12,080
these individuals had a medical healing

3302
02:22:20,740 --> 02:22:17,450
by these ETS ie these non-human

3303
02:22:23,349 --> 02:22:20,750
intelligent beings and either they were

3304
02:22:25,510 --> 02:22:23,359
either directly healed or a family

3305
02:22:29,979 --> 02:22:25,520
member had a medical healing so that's a

3306
02:22:34,000 --> 02:22:29,989
very large number also we asked various

3307
02:22:37,719 --> 02:22:34,010
questions about the spirit world and it

3308
02:22:40,740 --> 02:22:37,729
appears that roughly 85% of these

3309
02:22:43,690 --> 02:22:40,750
individuals that responded to face to

3310
02:22:47,019 --> 02:22:43,700
associate these non-human intelligent

3311
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:47,029
beings with either the pre birth or the

3312
02:22:54,940 --> 02:22:52,850
post birth spirit world and so that's a

3313
02:22:58,030 --> 02:22:54,950
very large commonality among these

3314
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:58,040
individuals also another interesting

3315
02:23:02,440 --> 02:23:00,319
factor here is that you always read

3316
02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:02,450
about these ETS having no personality at

3317
02:23:10,200 --> 02:23:07,130
all again it was 82% stated that these

3318
02:23:12,610 --> 02:23:10,210
beings do in fact have a personality and

3319
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:12,620
46% actually stated that they are

3320
02:23:18,040 --> 02:23:15,200
playful with them so those are just a

3321
02:23:22,540 --> 02:23:18,050
few of some of the interesting findings

3322
02:23:24,950 --> 02:23:22,550
from phase 2 from Latin America for our

3323
02:23:27,920 --> 02:23:24,960
phase 1 study there was a big

3324
02:23:31,850 --> 02:23:27,930
difference with the u.s. audience close

3325
02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:31,860
to 70% of their contact experiences have

3326
02:23:39,290 --> 02:23:35,210
been with human looking beings with

3327
02:23:41,930 --> 02:23:39,300
unlike in the u.s. it was roughly equal

3328
02:23:45,650 --> 02:23:41,940
the three largest groups were the the

3329
02:23:47,390 --> 02:23:45,660
short greys the spirit forms and the

3330
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:47,400
human looking types now that's

3331
02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:49,530
interesting here that different parts of

3332
02:23:53,780 --> 02:23:52,170
the world may yield different responses

3333
02:23:55,850 --> 02:23:53,790
to these questions because you think if

3334
02:23:57,469 --> 02:23:55,860
there's a consistent cause wouldn't

3335
02:23:58,100 --> 02:23:57,479
everybody experience it in a similar

3336
02:24:00,260 --> 02:23:58,110
fashion

3337
02:24:02,870 --> 02:24:00,270
of course these cultural distinctions

3338
02:24:05,630 --> 02:24:02,880
haven't mentioned before in UFO research

3339
02:24:09,080 --> 02:24:05,640
and it kind of goes against actually

3340
02:24:12,170 --> 02:24:09,090
physically seeing the actual phenomenon

3341
02:24:13,160 --> 02:24:12,180
and not somehow being influenced by

3342
02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:13,170
something else

3343
02:24:18,320 --> 02:24:15,450
it really gets strange it really gets

3344
02:24:20,480 --> 02:24:18,330
crazy a lot of unusual things appear to

3345
02:24:37,640 --> 02:24:20,490
be at work here we've got ray hernandez

3346
02:24:40,070 --> 02:24:37,650
joining gene and chris you're in graphic

3347
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3348
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3349
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3350
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3351
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3352
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3353
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3354
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3355
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3356
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3357
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3359
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3360
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3361
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3362
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3363
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3364
02:25:22,130 --> 02:25:19,950
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3365
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3366
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3367
02:25:33,370 --> 02:25:27,690
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3368
02:25:34,960 --> 02:25:33,380
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3369
02:25:38,389 --> 02:25:34,970
LEM

3370
02:25:39,710 --> 02:25:38,399
soft calm have you ever felt like the

3371
02:25:41,450 --> 02:25:39,720
United States government knows way too

3372
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:41,460
much about your financial affairs I

3373
02:25:45,290 --> 02:25:43,530
continue to hear stories about property

3374
02:25:47,570 --> 02:25:45,300
seizures frozen bank accounts

3375
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:47,580
confiscation of stocks and bonds it

3376
02:25:50,870 --> 02:25:49,290
makes me wonder if the US citizen will

3377
02:25:53,020 --> 02:25:50,880
ever again have the right to life

3378
02:25:55,130 --> 02:25:53,030
liberty and the pursuit of happiness

3379
02:25:56,889 --> 02:25:55,140
unfortunately with the drug and money

3380
02:25:59,840 --> 02:25:56,899
laundering Act the IRS Revenue Ruling

3381
02:26:01,000 --> 02:25:59,850
60-45 of 1984 and the trading with the

3382
02:26:04,099 --> 02:26:01,010
enemy Act in Franklin D Roosevelt

3383
02:26:05,870 --> 02:26:04,109
executive order of 1933 some precious

3384
02:26:08,059 --> 02:26:05,880
metal holdings are subject to government

3385
02:26:09,710 --> 02:26:08,069
intervention for this reason Midas

3386
02:26:11,240 --> 02:26:09,720
Resources has prepared a report

3387
02:26:13,160 --> 02:26:11,250
explaining the boundaries of trading

3388
02:26:15,020 --> 02:26:13,170
precious metals privately whether if you

3389
02:26:16,730 --> 02:26:15,030
have any intention of trading with Midas

3390
02:26:18,349 --> 02:26:16,740
resources or not I've instructed my

3391
02:26:22,580 --> 02:26:18,359
representatives to give this report out

3392
02:26:25,219 --> 02:26:22,590
free call for your free copy at 1-866-37

3393
02:26:27,000 --> 02:26:25,229
1 investing always proceed with caution

3394
02:26:38,050 --> 02:26:27,010
again call

3395
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:38,060
[Music]

3396
02:26:40,429 --> 02:26:39,600
you're fired

3397
02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:40,439
according to the Small Business

3398
02:26:44,690 --> 02:26:42,810
Administration seventy-five percent of

3399
02:26:46,640 --> 02:26:44,700
small businesses plan to eliminate jobs

3400
02:26:48,740 --> 02:26:46,650
or reduce workers hours to part-time

3401
02:26:50,300 --> 02:26:48,750
your fire according to Gallup the

3402
02:26:51,770 --> 02:26:50,310
unemployment rate recently jumped to

3403
02:26:53,719 --> 02:26:51,780
nearly nine percent and the

3404
02:26:55,820 --> 02:26:53,729
underemployment rate hit a staggering

3405
02:26:56,330 --> 02:26:55,830
seventeen point nine percent you're

3406
02:26:58,250 --> 02:26:56,340
fired

3407
02:27:00,320 --> 02:26:58,260
one out of three young adults and one

3408
02:27:02,900 --> 02:27:00,330
out of two recent college graduates are

3409
02:27:04,130 --> 02:27:02,910
underemployed hello I'm Keith Abel a

3410
02:27:06,500 --> 02:27:04,140
pharmacist and a home business

3411
02:27:08,090 --> 02:27:06,510
entrepreneur in 2011 I became one of

3412
02:27:09,530 --> 02:27:08,100
those statistics myself instead of

3413
02:27:11,480 --> 02:27:09,540
looking for another job in corporate

3414
02:27:13,610 --> 02:27:11,490
America I joined dr. Joel Wallach the

3415
02:27:15,410 --> 02:27:13,620
dead doctors don't lag I we're creating

3416
02:27:17,150 --> 02:27:15,420
steady incomes for ourselves and would

3417
02:27:18,650 --> 02:27:17,160
like to show you how to do the same if

3418
02:27:20,780 --> 02:27:18,660
you want to supplement your current

3419
02:27:21,950 --> 02:27:20,790
income replace your income so you don't

3420
02:27:24,200 --> 02:27:21,960
have to become one of the statistics

3421
02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:24,210
then give me a call toll free at eight

3422
02:27:29,900 --> 02:27:27,210
six six two five seven three one zero

3423
02:27:31,730 --> 02:27:29,910
five eight six six two five seven three

3424
02:27:33,350 --> 02:27:31,740
one zero five you're fired

3425
02:27:35,450 --> 02:27:33,360
why did you hear those words start

3426
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:35,460
creating an extra income today eight six

3427
02:27:40,730 --> 02:27:38,010
six two five seven three one zero five

3428
02:27:42,920 --> 02:27:40,740
it's very easy to be a criminal all you

3429
02:27:45,320 --> 02:27:42,930
need to burglarize a home is one simple

3430
02:27:46,969 --> 02:27:45,330
household tool a pair of scissors if

3431
02:27:48,740 --> 02:27:46,979
your home security system can be

3432
02:27:50,929 --> 02:27:48,750
compromised by a criminal using scissors

3433
02:27:53,450 --> 02:27:50,939
then you are making it easy for them

3434
02:27:55,310 --> 02:27:53,460
almost every home security system even

3435
02:27:57,590 --> 02:27:55,320
those sold by big-name companies has a

3436
02:27:59,719 --> 02:27:57,600
weakness the phone line you shell out

3437
02:28:02,000 --> 02:27:59,729
fifteen hundred bucks get locked into a

3438
02:28:04,670 --> 02:28:02,010
long term contract and think you're safe

3439
02:28:06,830 --> 02:28:04,680
but a burglar can destroy your alarm in

3440
02:28:08,990 --> 02:28:06,840
seconds with one snip and when a burglar

3441
02:28:11,480 --> 02:28:09,000
cuts your phone line you're defenseless

3442
02:28:13,880 --> 02:28:11,490
simply safe home security is the smarter

3443
02:28:15,860 --> 02:28:13,890
choice built by Harvard engineers simply

3444
02:28:16,340 --> 02:28:15,870
safe uses a wireless connection to call

3445
02:28:18,140 --> 02:28:16,350
the cops

3446
02:28:19,460 --> 02:28:18,150
scissors can't cut it and that means

3447
02:28:21,650 --> 02:28:19,470
your home stays safe

3448
02:28:24,350 --> 02:28:21,660
24/7 professional monitoring is under

3449
02:28:26,420 --> 02:28:24,360
$15 a month with no contract simply safe

3450
02:28:27,130 --> 02:28:26,430
home security keeps you safer than the

3451
02:28:29,229 --> 02:28:27,140
other guy

3452
02:28:31,389 --> 02:28:29,239
for half the cost protect your home of

3453
02:28:33,760 --> 02:28:31,399
the alarm you can trust simply safe go

3454
02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:33,770
to simply safe defense calm now for an

3455
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:36,170
exclusive 10% offer that's simply safe

3456
02:28:47,530 --> 02:28:44,479
defense calm hi this is nuclear

3457
02:28:51,010 --> 02:28:47,540
physicist workers and Friedman you are

3458
02:28:59,800 --> 02:28:51,020
listening to the barricade the gold

3459
02:29:01,750 --> 02:28:59,810
standard a paranormal radio this is our

3460
02:29:03,099 --> 02:29:01,760
final segment with Ray Hernandez of free

3461
02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:03,109
we're looking over to the survey

3462
02:29:07,630 --> 02:29:05,930
responses and the fact that people in

3463
02:29:10,479 --> 02:29:07,640
different parts of the world will have

3464
02:29:12,700 --> 02:29:10,489
different perceptions of what they see

3465
02:29:15,550 --> 02:29:12,710
how much of this do you think Ray is the

3466
02:29:17,380 --> 02:29:15,560
result of a subjective perception that

3467
02:29:20,080 --> 02:29:17,390
may not even reflect what they're really

3468
02:29:22,809 --> 02:29:20,090
encountering we asked these individuals

3469
02:29:25,750 --> 02:29:22,819
to respond via conscious recollection

3470
02:29:29,830 --> 02:29:25,760
not through hypnotic regression so there

3471
02:29:31,689 --> 02:29:29,840
we weeded out or deleted numerous types

3472
02:29:33,700 --> 02:29:31,699
of experiences that came about through

3473
02:29:36,790 --> 02:29:33,710
hypnotic regression we applaud that

3474
02:29:39,460 --> 02:29:36,800
particular approach oh yes but I think

3475
02:29:42,429 --> 02:29:39,470
the question here though is how do we

3476
02:29:44,349 --> 02:29:42,439
know what they recall represents the

3477
02:29:47,500 --> 02:29:44,359
real event well that's something that

3478
02:29:50,260 --> 02:29:47,510
may be masked or interpreted that's a

3479
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:50,270
very good question and I think a lot of

3480
02:29:54,429 --> 02:29:52,250
these details a possible response to

3481
02:29:56,559 --> 02:29:54,439
that question is going to come through

3482
02:29:59,469 --> 02:29:56,569
interviews through these very detailed

3483
02:30:01,479 --> 02:29:59,479
structured interviews because right now

3484
02:30:03,880 --> 02:30:01,489
when you get to a fixed choice question

3485
02:30:06,340 --> 02:30:03,890
like we have in our survey is extremely

3486
02:30:09,160 --> 02:30:06,350
limited and only when we get to these

3487
02:30:11,710 --> 02:30:09,170
details interviews where we actually go

3488
02:30:13,559 --> 02:30:11,720
over why they answered the way that they

3489
02:30:15,820 --> 02:30:13,569
did that we're able to get these details

3490
02:30:18,460 --> 02:30:15,830
this is a perfect place to ask this

3491
02:30:20,920 --> 02:30:18,470
question from Ravens feet she wonders

3492
02:30:23,080 --> 02:30:20,930
why do the aliens report it to interact

3493
02:30:25,780 --> 02:30:23,090
with people look so human why aren't

3494
02:30:28,660 --> 02:30:25,790
they more alien is it because they are -

3495
02:30:30,880 --> 02:30:28,670
they - are formed by broadly similar

3496
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:30,890
processes that have acted upon us on

3497
02:30:35,830 --> 02:30:33,770
earth or their physical forms are bound

3498
02:30:37,750 --> 02:30:35,840
instead of by the limits of our

3499
02:30:40,120 --> 02:30:37,760
imagination in other words are we

3500
02:30:40,600 --> 02:30:40,130
creating the details and filling in the

3501
02:30:43,301 --> 02:30:40,610
blanks

3502
02:30:46,150 --> 02:30:43,311
of something that is potentially a lot

3503
02:30:47,740 --> 02:30:46,160
more alien than it appears to contact

3504
02:30:50,200 --> 02:30:47,750
these or vice versa

3505
02:30:53,230 --> 02:30:50,210
again I cannot answer that question

3506
02:30:56,020 --> 02:30:53,240
because right now we just have pure raw

3507
02:30:57,820 --> 02:30:56,030
data hopefully after we finish this

3508
02:31:00,070 --> 02:30:57,830
study in several years after we go

3509
02:31:02,261 --> 02:31:00,080
through all these batteries of various

3510
02:31:03,820 --> 02:31:02,271
questions and interviews we might be

3511
02:31:07,360 --> 02:31:03,830
able to get a better grasp of what we're

3512
02:31:09,581 --> 02:31:07,370
doing and as we continue to expand these

3513
02:31:11,140 --> 02:31:09,591
questionnaires in the future to get into

3514
02:31:13,720 --> 02:31:11,150
other types of anomalous types of

3515
02:31:16,301 --> 02:31:13,730
contact experiences then we might have a

3516
02:31:18,160 --> 02:31:16,311
better sense but right now we're at an

3517
02:31:22,030 --> 02:31:18,170
infant stage of trying to understand

3518
02:31:24,910 --> 02:31:22,040
what's going on our listeners are their

3519
02:31:26,620 --> 02:31:24,920
champion at the bit to to be able to ask

3520
02:31:29,261 --> 02:31:26,630
questions about you know you're an

3521
02:31:31,270 --> 02:31:29,271
analytical process which obviously is

3522
02:31:34,120 --> 02:31:31,280
not gonna happen for a while how many

3523
02:31:36,850 --> 02:31:34,130
participants are you looking to include

3524
02:31:39,341 --> 02:31:36,860
in the study do you have a particular

3525
02:31:41,081 --> 02:31:39,351
number in mind no we don't have a

3526
02:31:43,511 --> 02:31:41,091
particular number in mind because we

3527
02:31:46,511 --> 02:31:43,521
really want to before we close this

3528
02:31:49,690 --> 02:31:46,521
study we want to be able to tap into the

3529
02:31:52,541 --> 02:31:49,700
different languages yeah and we again we

3530
02:31:54,761 --> 02:31:52,551
have zero funding so if anyone has any

3531
02:31:58,720 --> 02:31:54,771
money that they want to contribute to us

3532
02:32:00,551 --> 02:31:58,730
go to experiencer dot o-r-g and if you

3533
02:32:02,950 --> 02:32:00,561
want to get some possible answers to

3534
02:32:04,331 --> 02:32:02,960
some of these questions send us uh you

3535
02:32:06,700 --> 02:32:04,341
know five or ten bucks or whatever you

3536
02:32:09,640 --> 02:32:06,710
can because we have zero budget this is

3537
02:32:13,001 --> 02:32:09,650
all being done by volunteers internally

3538
02:32:14,770 --> 02:32:13,011
our group is paying for these survey

3539
02:32:16,870 --> 02:32:14,780
instruments that we're using the Survey

3540
02:32:19,180 --> 02:32:16,880
Monkey we're paying for these expenses

3541
02:32:21,640 --> 02:32:19,190
out of pocket and now obviously if we

3542
02:32:23,440 --> 02:32:21,650
had independent funding for a lot of

3543
02:32:25,570 --> 02:32:23,450
these studies we could move along a lot

3544
02:32:29,320 --> 02:32:25,580
lakh quickly for example I'm personally

3545
02:32:31,450 --> 02:32:29,330
entering all of these surveys into the

3546
02:32:33,131 --> 02:32:31,460
Survey Monkey and one of these little

3547
02:32:35,740 --> 02:32:33,141
surveys takes anywhere from two to three

3548
02:32:38,410 --> 02:32:35,750
days to enter it to check and recheck

3549
02:32:40,480 --> 02:32:38,420
and fine-tune it this is an extremely

3550
02:32:42,551 --> 02:32:40,490
tedious process and I'm still a

3551
02:32:45,070 --> 02:32:42,561
full-time you know state tax attorney

3552
02:32:48,190 --> 02:32:45,080
quit the IRS there's only so many hours

3553
02:32:51,041 --> 02:32:48,200
in the day have you attempted to make

3554
02:32:53,010 --> 02:32:51,051
overtures to Robert Bigelow Bigelow

3555
02:32:54,809 --> 02:32:53,020
Aerospace and

3556
02:32:56,760 --> 02:32:54,819
you know the National Institute for

3557
02:33:00,090 --> 02:32:56,770
discovery Sciences which is now defunct

3558
02:33:02,729 --> 02:33:00,100
or have you contacted well who'd be

3559
02:33:04,979 --> 02:33:02,739
another good person to contact in this

3560
02:33:08,189 --> 02:33:04,989
realm Jean we have Bigelow but I'm

3561
02:33:10,439 --> 02:33:08,199
thinking of people like Elon Musk or

3562
02:33:11,309 --> 02:33:10,449
Warren Buffett people who have lots of

3563
02:33:13,200 --> 02:33:11,319
money to burn

3564
02:33:15,830 --> 02:33:13,210
especially Elon Musk because of his

3565
02:33:19,979 --> 02:33:15,840
obvious interest in space exploration

3566
02:33:22,349 --> 02:33:19,989
his name has been mentioned and Rudy and

3567
02:33:24,540 --> 02:33:22,359
Edgar have stated that once we've

3568
02:33:27,569 --> 02:33:24,550
identified some interest with a

3569
02:33:30,300 --> 02:33:27,579
potential a major funder that they will

3570
02:33:33,719 --> 02:33:30,310
then intervene and make a presentation

3571
02:33:35,130 --> 02:33:33,729
of what we're doing at free so you know

3572
02:33:37,349 --> 02:33:35,140
the heavy hitters get together on the

3573
02:33:44,160 --> 02:33:37,359
table but at this point we haven't even

3574
02:33:47,450 --> 02:33:44,170
identified a $10 hitter you know so you

3575
02:33:50,849 --> 02:33:47,460
know the Kickstarter GoFundMe type

3576
02:33:53,490 --> 02:33:50,859
public funding this scenario which is

3577
02:33:58,139 --> 02:33:53,500
not out of question for this particular

3578
02:34:00,899 --> 02:33:58,149
project vigils that have expressed

3579
02:34:03,269 --> 02:34:00,909
interest in this whole topic you know

3580
02:34:06,210 --> 02:34:03,279
for instance Sammy Hagar who's got quite

3581
02:34:08,069 --> 02:34:06,220
a bit of money from being the singer for

3582
02:34:09,899 --> 02:34:08,079
Van Halen and you know his own solo

3583
02:34:12,979 --> 02:34:09,909
career and being the singer for the band

3584
02:34:15,540 --> 02:34:12,989
Montrose and stuff Cabo Wabo tequila

3585
02:34:17,939 --> 02:34:15,550
maybe that's why he had his abduction

3586
02:34:20,010 --> 02:34:17,949
experiences he was busy taste testing

3587
02:34:22,469 --> 02:34:20,020
his own recipe or something up you know

3588
02:34:25,109 --> 02:34:22,479
there are some creative ways to to

3589
02:34:27,359 --> 02:34:25,119
approach you know especially with the

3590
02:34:30,240 --> 02:34:27,369
the August you know Ross or of

3591
02:34:32,580 --> 02:34:30,250
consultants and in board members and in

3592
02:34:35,279 --> 02:34:32,590
Directors I would think that it would be

3593
02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:35,289
much easier to gain the kind of heavy

3594
02:34:40,019 --> 02:34:38,170
hitter funding that you require with the

3595
02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:40,029
kind of scientists and you know you

3596
02:34:44,969 --> 02:34:41,770
rattled off I don't know how many PhDs

3597
02:34:45,450 --> 02:34:44,979
there you know I if you need some help

3598
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:45,460
let me know

3599
02:34:51,599 --> 02:34:48,250
oh I definitely put it out there here at

3600
02:34:53,219 --> 02:34:51,609
the you know we you know we're all we're

3601
02:34:54,479 --> 02:34:53,229
all kind of pulling you know we're

3602
02:34:56,490 --> 02:34:54,489
pulling on the oars in the same

3603
02:34:58,889 --> 02:34:56,500
direction here in the boat and anything

3604
02:35:00,479 --> 02:34:58,899
we can do to help just let us know thank

3605
02:35:02,880 --> 02:35:00,489
you any help that we can get cuz at this

3606
02:35:04,140 --> 02:35:02,890
point you know we're doing quite unique

3607
02:35:06,270 --> 02:35:04,150
work

3608
02:35:07,830 --> 02:35:06,280
which has never been done before we're

3609
02:35:10,650 --> 02:35:07,840
really muddling through the waters and

3610
02:35:14,610 --> 02:35:10,660
the infant stages to all of this we have

3611
02:35:16,890 --> 02:35:14,620
numerous hurdles ahead of us and and and

3612
02:35:19,220 --> 02:35:16,900
and if any any funding that we can get

3613
02:35:22,591 --> 02:35:19,230
to pay for expenses would certainly help

3614
02:35:24,030 --> 02:35:22,601
and at least to hire people to be able

3615
02:35:26,400 --> 02:35:24,040
to type some of these things out the

3616
02:35:28,410 --> 02:35:26,410
entry information in terms of the survey

3617
02:35:30,900 --> 02:35:28,420
instruments to get translations because

3618
02:35:32,580 --> 02:35:30,910
we want this to be international so that

3619
02:35:35,011 --> 02:35:32,590
that's why it's taking so long because

3620
02:35:37,320 --> 02:35:35,021
we're all volunteers and we're all doing

3621
02:35:39,180 --> 02:35:37,330
this work at a volunteer basis and this

3622
02:35:41,190 --> 02:35:39,190
is it takes a if you're doing a little

3623
02:35:43,230 --> 02:35:41,200
Mickey Mouse survey or 50 questions you

3624
02:35:45,060 --> 02:35:43,240
know you could do that fairly quickly

3625
02:35:48,150 --> 02:35:45,070
but if you're doing what we're doing

3626
02:35:50,310 --> 02:35:48,160
which is a monstrous study really

3627
02:35:52,470 --> 02:35:50,320
intense yeah which is the way it should

3628
02:35:55,650 --> 02:35:52,480
be done I mean we'll yeah yeah and so

3629
02:35:57,930 --> 02:35:55,660
that's why it's taking so long but we

3630
02:36:00,570 --> 02:35:57,940
really have no cut-offs I mean we she's

3631
02:36:01,920 --> 02:36:00,580
launched Spanish of 45 days ago and we

3632
02:36:04,290 --> 02:36:01,930
already have three hundred and forty

3633
02:36:07,591 --> 02:36:04,300
individuals you know which is a huge

3634
02:36:09,690 --> 02:36:07,601
number and you know we're plugging away

3635
02:36:12,091 --> 02:36:09,700
we're working at it I can't wait to see

3636
02:36:14,360 --> 02:36:12,101
the results from the Latin American

3637
02:36:17,880 --> 02:36:14,370
countries especially South America where

3638
02:36:22,640 --> 02:36:17,890
small dark hairy dwarves are reported as

3639
02:36:26,551 --> 02:36:22,650
abductors and to me it's just uh

3640
02:36:28,261 --> 02:36:26,561
infinitely fascinating yeah what's

3641
02:36:29,100 --> 02:36:28,271
fascinating is that we're just about out

3642
02:36:30,690 --> 02:36:29,110
of time

3643
02:36:32,610 --> 02:36:30,700
okay so rank could you tell our

3644
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:32,620
listeners where they can go to find more

3645
02:36:38,970 --> 02:36:36,010
information about the organization maybe

3646
02:36:39,900 --> 02:36:38,980
to participate in the surveys correct

3647
02:36:43,080 --> 02:36:39,910
correct

3648
02:36:45,810 --> 02:36:43,090
we're building our website and again

3649
02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:45,820
it's all dependent on funding we have

3650
02:36:57,570 --> 02:36:49,210
like a temporary site that were called

3651
02:37:00,900 --> 02:36:57,580
experienced org expe RI en CER dot o-r-g

3652
02:37:03,511 --> 02:37:00,910
and there you have a link to be able to

3653
02:37:05,790 --> 02:37:03,521
leave us your email so we could put you

3654
02:37:08,040 --> 02:37:05,800
on our mailing list you have a link to

3655
02:37:10,980 --> 02:37:08,050
our surveys you could take our phase one

3656
02:37:12,780 --> 02:37:10,990
survey and also we have a donate but the

3657
02:37:14,880 --> 02:37:12,790
website that we're working on I've

3658
02:37:16,830 --> 02:37:14,890
already spent hundreds of hours with

3659
02:37:19,740 --> 02:37:16,840
this volunteer web

3660
02:37:21,570 --> 02:37:19,750
developer and it's gonna blow everybody

3661
02:37:24,630 --> 02:37:21,580
away it's it's right up the alley of

3662
02:37:27,030 --> 02:37:24,640
pyro cast it's going to be focusing on

3663
02:37:28,670 --> 02:37:27,040
all aspects of the paranormal of the

3664
02:37:30,510 --> 02:37:28,680
various contact modalities and

3665
02:37:33,179 --> 02:37:30,520
consciousness studies how it's all

3666
02:37:34,740 --> 02:37:33,189
interrelated transpersonal psychology

3667
02:37:36,480 --> 02:37:34,750
it's it's got to be totally

3668
02:37:39,270 --> 02:37:36,490
comprehensive and it's going to be done

3669
02:37:41,849 --> 02:37:39,280
with class you know in terms of being

3670
02:37:44,310 --> 02:37:41,859
able to be educational for individuals

3671
02:37:46,889 --> 02:37:44,320
with articles and videos with a slightly

3672
02:37:48,270 --> 02:37:46,899
academic tint to it but we're also going

3673
02:37:50,550 --> 02:37:48,280
to have a component that deals with

3674
02:37:53,460 --> 02:37:50,560
experience or support thank you very

3675
02:37:56,219 --> 02:37:53,470
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3676
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3677
02:37:59,880 --> 02:37:58,510
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3678
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3679
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3687
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3697
02:39:01,060 --> 02:38:58,150
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3698
02:39:04,050 --> 02:39:01,070
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